On 14 mrt 2010, at 1:09, Phillips, Addison wrote:
There is also a difference between regularized usage and formats derived by
well-meaning people based on their own experience (i.e. a European might very
well think first of ydm, being used to seeing the day preceding the month).
No way.
As previousley announced, following the successful Internet Society
(ISOC) lunch-time panels at IETF Meetings in 2009, ISOC is organizing
a briefing panel in conjunction with IETF 77 on Tuesday, 23 March.
However, I want to let everyone know that the panel topic has changed.
To explore and
On 12 mrt 2010, at 6:58, John Levine wrote:
Indeed, I know plenty of people these days who have no idea today how
to produce an ASCII file with only tab, CR, and LF formatting
characters.
Type. Save as text. How hard is that?
I have actually written a few drafts that way. The text part isn't
On 2010-3-17, at 8:48, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
I have actually written a few drafts that way. The text part isn't hard, but
the hard breaks at every line are, and the hard breaks at every page even
more so. Tools do create those don't exist in today's world.
they do, e.g., something
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 08:28, Iljitsch van Beijnum iljit...@muada.comwrote:
(Although the exposure to non-standard ways of doing things may make this
harder for Americans.)
Since Americans habitually use month-day order anyway, why would -MM-DD
be especially difficult for them? It's
Indeed, I know plenty of people these days who have no idea today how
to produce an ASCII file with only tab, CR, and LF formatting
characters.
Type. Save as text. How hard is that?
Good guess, but wrong. If you do that, you will still generally get
various non-ASCII quotes and punctuation
On 17 mrt 2010, at 17:02, Michael Edward McNeil wrote:
(Although the exposure to non-standard ways of doing things may make this
harder for Americans.)
Since Americans habitually use month-day order anyway, why would -MM-DD
be especially difficult for them? It's Europeans and others
On 17 mrt 2010, at 14:59, Yao Jiankang wrote:
But if someone can't figure yout 2010-01-02 then maybe they're not our
audience.
there are two kinds of audience: those who understand 2010-01-02 by usual way
and those who understand 2010-01-02 by unusual way.
your logic reasoning seems to
On 2010.03.13. 19:23, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 05:13:41PM +0100,
Arnt Gulbrandsena...@gulbrandsen.priv.no wrote
a message of 17 lines which said:
Those are RFC 3339 dates.
It took thirteen messages for someone to notice that there is an IETF
standard for dates
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Subject: Re: What day is 2010-01-02
On 14 mrt 2010, at 1:09, Phillips, Addison wrote:
BA I reviewed the document draft-ietf-isms-dtls-tm-09.txt in general
BA and for its operational impact.
Bernard,
Thanks for your review and comments on the draft!
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Actually, if you knew Morse code you would know that it is SOS, an
in-band signal consisting of ...---... not the letters S-O-S.
As far as being trapped in a building, any regular pattern of bangs is
going to be picked up and acted on.
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Jorge Amodio
On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Michael Edward McNeil wrote:
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 08:28, Iljitsch van Beijnum iljit...@muada.com
wrote:
(Although the exposure to non-standard ways of doing things may make this
harder for Americans.)
Since Americans habitually use month-day order
Jorge Amodio wrote:
Hard to believe but Morse is still in use and required
for certain classes of radio operators.
For good reasons; in difficult conditions, Morse still delivers the
message when the voice has long stopped being recognizable. Morse would
be like ASCII: definitely not the
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:29, Bob Hinden bob.hin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Michael Edward McNeil wrote:
Since Americans habitually use month-day order anyway, why would
-MM-DD be especially difficult for them? It's Europeans and others who
typically use
In my opinion this is not ready for prime time.
Basically: it's inconsistent with the requirements part of RFC 2026
and inconsistent with RFC 2119. I don't think we should create
confusion by such inconsistency.
There are three main aspects of this inconsistency:
1. 3.1. MANDATORY
This is
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
There is a big difference in real engineering (i.e. outside a
university) between a solution that only addresses part of a problem
and one that is 'useless'.
Perhaps, you don't recognize the fact that BGP routing is global.
In observed attacks and in simulations,
Hey all,
This message is announcing a bar BoF (lunch BoF) on Location
Coherence -- interoperability between different location protocols and
APIs -- for the lunch break on Wednesday of the IETF week. Location
is still TBD (ironically).
Full announcement here:
At 9:43 AM +1300 3/18/10, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
In my opinion this is not ready for prime time.
I agree with all of Brian's issues, and add another one that is equally, if not
more, significant. This document talks about an IANA registry having entries
for compliance, but does not describe
At 10:45 17-03-10, The IESG wrote:
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider
the following document:
- 'Definitions for expressing standards requirements in IANA registries.'
draft-ogud-iana-protocol-maintenance-words-03.txt as a BCP
The IESG plans to make a
Ah, yes, Paul is quite correct. My implicit assumption was
that such keywords would be added to an IANA registry only
in as far as they echo IETF standards track documents (including
the deprecation or obsolescence of such documents). Of course,
IANA itself cannot add normative requirements - only
Richard
This conflicts with the WG chairs lunch. Is there another time
that's not inconflict with a meeting you're likely attending for this?
James
At 06:11 PM 3/17/2010, Richard Barnes wrote:
Hey all,
This message is announcing a bar BoF (lunch BoF) on Location
Coherence --
At 1:10 PM +1300 3/18/10, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
Ah, yes, Paul is quite correct. My implicit assumption was
that such keywords would be added to an IANA registry only
in as far as they echo IETF standards track documents (including
the deprecation or obsolescence of such documents). Of course,
Which it is not. xml2rfc is very hard to use for anyone who has
otherwise no experience with XML just because it's XML (the proper
nesting and terminating are hell) and also because at least 50% of
the xml2rfc commands aren't documented.
I guess people's experience differs. Between the online
+1
On 3/17/2010 12:18 PM, John R. Levine wrote:
If we could agree that the final XML was authoritative, and if
necessary let them hire someone to fix xmlrfc so it can produce the
text version without hand editing or postprocessing, that would be a
big step forward.
On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Michael Edward McNeil wrote:
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:29, Bob Hinden bob.hin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Michael Edward McNeil wrote:
Since Americans habitually use month-day order anyway, why would -MM-DD
be especially difficult
Michel Py wrote:
Jorge Amodio wrote:
Hard to believe but Morse is still in use and required
for certain classes of radio operators.
For good reasons; in difficult conditions, Morse still delivers the
message when the voice has long stopped being recognizable. Morse would
be like ASCII:
would Thursday be an acceptable answer?
/Loa
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+1
On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Tony Hansen wrote:
+1
On 3/17/2010 12:18 PM, John R. Levine wrote:
If we could agree that the final XML was authoritative, and if
necessary let them hire someone to fix xmlrfc so it can produce the
text version without hand editing or postprocessing, that
On 03/17/2010 09:18 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
Absolutely. But Americans don't expect this kind of stuff to make
sense, because they're used to having a different way of measuring
everything, while in the rest of the world we're used to the metric
system so we assume things make sense. So
Jorge Amodio wrote:
Hard to believe but Morse is still in use and required
for certain classes of radio operators.
Michel Py wrote:
For good reasons; in difficult conditions, Morse still delivers
the message when the voice has long stopped being recognizable.
Morse would be like ASCII:
The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Resource ReSerVation Protocol (RSVP) Extensions for Admission Priority '
draft-ietf-tsvwg-emergency-rsvp-15.txt as a Proposed Standard
This document is the product of the Transport Area Working Group.
The IESG contact persons are Magnus
As previousley announced, following the successful Internet Society
(ISOC) lunch-time panels at IETF Meetings in 2009, ISOC is organizing
a briefing panel in conjunction with IETF 77 on Tuesday, 23 March.
However, I want to let everyone know that the panel topic has changed.
To explore and
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider
the following document:
- 'ZRTP: Media Path Key Agreement for Secure RTP '
draft-zimmermann-avt-zrtp-17.txt as an Informational RFC
The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on
The Common Control and Measurement Plane (ccamp) working group in the
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