Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread Mary Barnes
Just to add my two cents to this discussion from a (past) noncom chair perpsective, having more experienced IETF participants on the Nomcom helps tremendously. It makes it far easier for the noncom chair and non-voting members (previous nomcom chair and liaisons) to stick to the roles as

Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jul 30, 2010, at 3:11 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: Just to add my two cents to this discussion from a (past) noncom chair perpsective, having more experienced IETF participants on the Nomcom helps tremendously. It makes it far easier for the noncom chair and non-voting members (previous

Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 7/30/2010 9:46 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: I was discussing this with various people yesterday - maybe it would be useful to have a moving average NOMCOM, with a two year term, and 50% replacement each year. Once that was set up, I think that the need for experienced hands would diminish -

Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 03:46:12AM -0400, Marshall Eubanks wrote: I was discussing this with various people yesterday - maybe it would be useful to have a moving average NOMCOM, with a two year term, and 50% replacement each year. Once that was set up, I think that the need for experienced

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-07-30 Thread Jelte Jansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/30/2010 06:53 AM, Fred Baker wrote: On Jul 30, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Scott Brim wrote: So I can't complain about the get-togethers of any sort, just that there wasn't enough time for them. I would like to encourage the use of IETF tools

Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread Alia Atlas
I also think that a 50% replacement rule - or even a 66% replacement rule would be very useful. The work load is very high, but much of that is gathering knowledge and opinions on the different candidates. Since the candidate set from year to year is not disjoint, I think that the work load for

Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I do not think it is reasonable to ask people to commit for serving a two year term on nomcom. Some folks have the energy and interest to do so. Wonderful and thank you to them. But given that it is an intense personnel selection process, I do not think expecting two years of service for it

Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread Aaron Falk
On 7/30/10 9:46 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Jul 30, 2010, at 3:11 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: Just to add my two cents to this discussion from a (past) noncom chair perpsective, having more experienced IETF participants on the Nomcom helps tremendously. It makes it far easier for the

Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread Mary Barnes
Correct - I was not specifically referring to folks that previously had been on Nomcom. However, there are certainly folks that had previously served on Nomcom that do volunteer again - last year's Nomcom had a voting member that had been on 3 or 4 other Nomcoms and several others that had been

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-07-30 Thread Jari Arkko
Fred, I have mixed feelings about this. I had a tough week, particularly with lunches and dinner times packed with more meetings than usual. I already complained to Ray that they had made the system too efficient. You could now get lunch sandwich from the cafeteria in five minutes, making it

Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread James M. Polk
At 06:15 AM 7/30/2010, Aaron Falk wrote: On 7/30/10 9:46 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Jul 30, 2010, at 3:11 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: Just to add my two cents to this discussion from a (past) noncom chair perpsective, having more experienced IETF participants on the Nomcom helps

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-07-30 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 30 jul 2010, at 14.54, Jari Arkko wrote: Participation. As you can tell from above, I do not feel capable (or even obliged) of attending all these meetings. I just hope everyone understand you and other busy people are indeed busy, and need a break now and then. And that non-participation

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-07-30 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I think it may be important to better emphasis the difference between formal BoFs and informal promotional meetings. While Formal BoFs are not absolutely necessary for process purposes, they are usually a good idea to help the IAB and IESG judge interest. Process-wise, these informal barBoFs

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-07-30 Thread Yoav Nir
I think there are really two issues here. First is people who have an idea they want to present, but that idea either doesn't fit the charter of any particular working group (or they don't know about such a working group), or else said working group's schedule is too full with existing work.

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-07-30 Thread Melinda Shore
Yoav Nir wrote: First is people who have an idea they want to present, but that idea either doesn't fit the charter of any particular working group (or they don't know about such a working group), or else said working group's schedule is too full with existing work. The way that's

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-07-30 Thread Yoav Nir
On Jul 30, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: Yoav Nir wrote: First is people who have an idea they want to present, but that idea either doesn't fit the charter of any particular working group (or they don't know about such a working group), or else said working group's schedule is

Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread Donald Eastlake
I can see the desire to have some more experience on the nomcom. However, I am completely opposed to invidious schemes to divide the nomcom voting members into two (or more) classes. And I think the desired results can be obtained without doing so. The current qualification is attendance 3 out

Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread Aaron Falk
Hi Donald- You present an interesting idea and I appreciate your desire to avoid a two-class nomcom. If you were to take that approach, I'd suggest allocating points as below: High points (e.g., 10) - served as a working group chair - served on the IESG or IAB Medium points (e.g., 5) -

Re: Informational RFC to be: draft-keromytis-tls-authz-keynote-07.txt

2010-07-30 Thread IESG Secretary
The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'Transport Layer Security (TLS) Authorization Using KeyNote' draft-keromytis-tls-authz-keynote-07.txt as an Informational RFC. The IESG would also like the RFC-Editor to review the comments in the datatracker

Last Call: draft-ietf-isms-radius-vacm-09.txt (Using Authentication, Authorization, and Accounting services to Dynamically Provision View-based Access Control Model User-to-Group Mappings) to Propos

2010-07-30 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Integrated Security Model for SNMP WG (isms) to consider the following document: - 'Using Authentication, Authorization, and Accounting services to Dynamically Provision View-based Access Control Model User-to-Group Mappings'