Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

On 25/08/2011 01:03, geoff wrote: > On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:28 -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: >> 1) We don't have to go to any particular location. There has been an >> assumption made by people in this discussion that sometimes when we pick >> locations with particularly expensive hotels, we'll get p

Re: Manila, was voting system for future venues?

>I can't find a flight that gets me there in less than 2 days from >Canada. I tried for November. Um, you can fly YYZ-NRT/NRT-MNL on AC and NH in about 20 hrs. The return flight is about 18 hrs, same route. Any chance we've forgotten about the International Date Line? I see coach fares of abou

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Re: Agenda known in advance? was Re: Experiment for different schedule for Friday

On 8/23/11 03:25 , Jaap Akkerhuis wrote: > > If the idea of not fixing agendas is to remain, then any experiments for > extending the Friday schedule pretty much mean that everyone has to > extend their stay, doesn't it? I think if we want to use Friday time > properly, then th

Re: Questionnaire to survey opinion concerning a possibleredefinition of UTC

On 8/25/11 20:25 , Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: >> I have asked responsible parties about 2 of these cases (and, >> for that matter, Dennis McCarthy about UT1) and the answer always is, too >> much >> legacy equipment and software. That will sound quaint in 500 years. > > We're still using the 36

RE: Questionnaire to survey opinion concerning a possibleredefinition of UTC

>I have asked responsible parties about 2 of these cases (and, > for that matter, Dennis McCarthy about UT1) and the answer always is, too much > legacy equipment and software. That will sound quaint in 500 years. We're still using the 360-degree circle and the 24 (=12+12) hour day, and those go b

Re: Questionnaire to survey opinion concerning a possibleredefinition of UTC

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Michel Py < mic...@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us> wrote: > > Marshall Eubanks > > So UTC would become a YATSCOT (Yet another time scale > > with a constant offset to TAI.) > > Indeed, why not use TAI instead in the first place? > I have asked responsible parties abo

Routing at the Edges of the Internet

I trust that some of you have seen this article from a while back: An informative except: "When I open my laptop, I see over ten different wifi access points. Say I wanted to send data to my frien

RE: voting system for future venues?

Ole, We can actually arrange for a room block as long as we can guarantee nth number of participants likewise room rates Regards Medel Ramirez Globe Telecom, Inc Manila, Philippines -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org]

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: > > Don't worry - this thread occurs on a regular basis, and let's us vent our > frustration at having an unsolvable problem. > > But you do raise a good point about there being places west of Kauai. In > fact, my guess is every IETFer is eit

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

Don't worry - this thread occurs on a regular basis, and let's us vent our frustration at having an unsolvable problem. But you do raise a good point about there being places west of Kauai. In fact, my guess is every IETFer is either west or east of Kauai. Therefore, I propose we hold a futu

RE: Questionnaire to survey opinion concerning a possibleredefinition of UTC

> Marshall Eubanks > So UTC would become a YATSCOT (Yet another time scale > with a constant offset to TAI.) Indeed, why not use TAI instead in the first place? > I am not aware of any RFCs for sextant based celestial > navigation (which WILL have to change). If UTC was to change, that could me

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

Dear sirs, I really appreciate your support to US venues, but please keep in mind, there are places eastern from Bermuda and western from Kauai. In addition there is also some land southern from El Paso. Lets say - Internet is for everyone. And, trust me or not, there are people that have no

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

On 08/25/2011 11:20, John E Drake wrote: > How about Fresno? ... just make sure it's upwind from the bovines. :) -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Your

RE: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

How about Fresno? Sent from my iPhone > -Original Message- > From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Stewart Bryant > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:09 AM > To: ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy? > > On 25/08/2011 18:12,

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

At 12:12 PM -0500 8/25/11, Mary Barnes wrote: I am also a fan of Minneapolis for meetings - the facilities at the Hilton are perfect for our needs. There's lots of food options. It has good air connections and there is decent pubic transport from the airport to the city. I fully agree. M

Re: voting system for future venues?

On 8/25/11 11:35 , Randall Gellens wrote: > At 7:06 AM -0400 8/25/11, Keith Moore wrote: > >> (Admittedly, the real gotcha in Quebec seems to have been that there >> were so few seats available that the few low-priced fares were quickly >> exhausted. Everyone could get quotes two years in advance

Re: voting system for future venues?

At 7:06 AM -0400 8/25/11, Keith Moore wrote: (Admittedly, the real gotcha in Quebec seems to have been that there were so few seats available that the few low-priced fares were quickly exhausted. Everyone could get quotes two years in advance and all see the same cheap fares, even if those fa

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

Hadriel> If we use actual *attendance* as a form of voting, Hadriel> Minneapolis would lose big time. I don't think using actual attendance is the right metric. Actual attendance of people who submitted internet drafts or chaired meetings would be closer, but is also problematic. My goal

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

On 25/08/2011 18:12, Mary Barnes wrote: I am also a fan of Minneapolis for meetings - the facilities at the Hilton are perfect for our needs. There's lots of food options. It has good air connections and there is decent pubic transport from the airport to the city. However, this seems to be

Re: Questionnaire to survey opinion concerning a possible redefinition of UTC

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Frank Ellermann < hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkzt...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 25 August 2011 12:24, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > > Since several RFCs rely on UTC and leap seconds (3339, 4765, 5905, > > etc), this questionnaire may be of interest for some persons > > So

Re: Questionnaire to survey opinion concerning a possible redefinition of UTC

On 25 August 2011 12:24, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > Since several RFCs rely on UTC and leap seconds (3339, 4765, 5905, > etc), this questionnaire may be of interest for some persons Thanks for info. MJD 55798.740729 http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/daterdnm.sh> -Frank __

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

On 08/25/2011 09:36 AM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: According to the stats, since IETF-1, there have been 6 IETF meetings in Minneapolis. Every one of them had significantly lower number of participants than the meeting before and after them... except IETF-44 which was lower than IETF-43 but about the

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

If we use actual *attendance* as a form of voting, Minneapolis would lose big time. According to the stats, since IETF-1, there have been 6 IETF meetings in Minneapolis. Every one of them had significantly lower number of participants than the meeting before and after them... except IETF-44 w

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

On 8/25/11 08:55 , t.petch wrote: > Yes, I too go to work, and would rate Minneapolis in the top three, > with Atlanta perhaps just above it. Tom --Tom In Minneapolis I think you're talking about a specific venue and city. In the case of Atlanta I'm guessing not, we've had two meetings, 55 and 21.

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

I am also a fan of Minneapolis for meetings - the facilities at the Hilton are perfect for our needs. There's lots of food options. It has good air connections and there is decent pubic transport from the airport to the city. However, this seems to be a minority perspective. If we were to do vot

Re: voting system for future venues?

Keith Moore wrote: On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Eric Burger wrote: Let's ask again: what is it you WANT? Personally, I want to be able to afford to travel to the meetings, and to be able to do so without having to commit to spending the money months in advance. More broadly, I want IETF me

RE: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-krb-wg-otp-preauth-18

Make that - Thanks for the quick response. (off-by-one key error ...) Thanks, --David > -Original Message- > From: Black, David > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:14 AM > To: Sam Hartman > Cc: Richards, Gareth; gen-...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; > ietf-krb...@lists.anl.gov; > stephen.far

RE: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-krb-wg-otp-preauth-18

Hi Sam, Thanks for the quick response? I'll watch for the new text on anonymous PKINIT. > Why should we require that alg-ids be registered URIs? That's not my concern - the existing first paragraph of the IANA considerations section in the draft requires IANA registration (or at least tries

Re: voting system for future venues?

On 25/08/2011 13:06, Keith Moore wrote: > On Aug 25, 2011, at 2:13 AM, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > But on what basis are the options discarded by IAOC, if the different options > aren't examined to at least the level of detail that I suggested? I think it is more a continuous process. Start with a

RE: [mpls] Last Call: (MPLSOn-demand Connectivity Verification and Route Tracing) toProposed Standard

Hi, I have sent some questions regarding the IF_Num of DSMAP TLV before. I'd like to make sure it is not lost. 2.1. New address type for Downstream Mapping TLV The new address type indicates that no address is present in the DSMAP or DDMAP TLV. However, IF_Num information (see definiti

Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-krb-wg-otp-preauth-18

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at . Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-ietf-krb-wg-otp-preauth-18 Review

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 14:10 -0700, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > > ps. Underlying any sort of change to the model is a change in the nature of > > host/sponsor recruitment. The current approach uses new venues to aid in > > finding new sponsors. > > Not quite

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

Maybe the majority doesn't care one way or the other - they will just go wherever the meetings are held in which case: let's make them easy to get to cheap decent food one roof (with other hotels near-by) cheap and easy to get to You could pick Rosemont, IL (next to O'hare) for every m

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:28 -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > 1) We don't have to go to any particular location. There has been an > assumption made by people in this discussion that sometimes when we pick > locations with particularly expensive hotels, we'll get particularly > expensive meetings. That

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 16:27 -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Dave" == Dave CROCKER writes: > > Dave> ps. As a personal aside, I'll note that I've lobbied rather > Dave> vigorously for venues that entail less travel effort, by > Dave> eliminating the additional hop needed to get fro

GEN-ART review of draft-ietf-krb-wg-clear-text-cred-02

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at < http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. Document: draft-ietf-krb-wg-c

Re: [OSPF] [karp] Last Call: (Supporting Authentication Trailer for OSPFv3) to Proposed Standard

On Aug 24, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Acee Lindem wrote: > Hi Manav, > > On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Bhatia, Manav (Manav) wrote: > >> Hi Acee, >> > > We change the hex that's repeated in the Apad from >>> 0x878FE1F3 to 0x878FE1F4. This value will be unique for >>> OSPFv3. Other protocols

Re: [OSPF] [karp] Last Call: (Supporting Authentication Trailer for OSPFv3) to Proposed Standard

Hi Manav, On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Bhatia, Manav (Manav) wrote: > Hi Acee, > We change the hex that's repeated in the Apad from >> 0x878FE1F3 to 0x878FE1F4. This value will be unique for >> OSPFv3. Other protocols that use this mechanism must use a >> different value of Apad -

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

- Original Message - From: "Thomas Nadeau" To: "Alia Atlas" Cc: "Sam Hartman" ; "Dave CROCKER" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:39 PM On Aug 24, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > > On 8/24/2011 1:27 PM, Sam Hartman wrote:

Re: voting system for future venues?

On Aug 24, 2011, at 20:21 , Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 2011-08-25 13:42, somebody other than Ole Jacobsen wrote: > >> "I agree that IAOC should >> ensure that there are inexpensive hotels nearby so that >> those with a tight budget can save money." > > This is the key point. The anchor hotel

Re: [mpls] Last Call: (MPLSOn-demand Connectivity Verification and Route Tracing) toProposed Standard

Hi, I would like to propose that this draft explicitly stipulate whether or not it covers per-interface model. I think it is essential to avoid confusion and clarify the appropriate I-D to discuss OAM solutions for the per-interface model. "Per-interface model" is one of the two OAM maintena

Re: [websec] Last Call: (The Web Origin Concept) to Proposed Standard

Below a few late comments.. 6. Serializing Origins - It really really seems that the two algorithms need to be swapped (the first one converts to ASCII, but the second does not). - Also, I'd prefer a declarative definition. 7. The HTTP Origin header - header *field* - the syntax doesn't al

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

> "Lou" == Lou Berger writes: Lou> Ole, In the (somewhat far) past, my memory was that the IETF Lou> rate was *less* then the normal available rate. This trend to Lou> higher rates is something I only remember seeing over the last Lou> 5 or so years. Perhaps my memory is jus

Re: voting system for future venues?

Maybe next we try Ulan Bator, Mongolia Warm Regards, Anshuman Sent from my BlackBerry® Smartphone, regret typo's! -Original Message- From: Ole Jacobsen Sender: ietf-boun...@ietf.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:33:09 To: Michael Richardson Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen Cc: IETF-Discussio

Re: voting system for future venues?

Michael, I think we could expect a room block cost similar to that of APRICOT 2009, but the dollar has tanked since then so even "cheap" places in Asia like this aren't so cheap any longer. And, yes, it would be "hard go get to" for some value of hard. I wasn't proposing we go there. As Nathan

Re: voting system for future venues?

> "Ole" == Ole Jacobsen writes: Ole> The Sofitel Manila is where APRICOT 2009 was held. A great Ole> venue, possibly even large enough to hold an IETF (I am not Ole> sure), *and* the rate (at the time) at 7,525 Pesos was pretty Ole> good. Today it is $177 which is still pretty

RE: [IETF] Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

> From: Warren Kumari [war...@kumari.net] > > And I've concluded that the IAOC have a crappy job to do and that folk like > to kvetch. +1 The IAOC does a remarkably good job given the difficulty of the optimization problem. Just over the last two years, I'm amazed by the number of vastly diffe

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

Ole, In the (somewhat far) past, my memory was that the IETF rate was *less* then the normal available rate. This trend to higher rates is something I only remember seeing over the last 5 or so years. Perhaps my memory is just flawed, as I haven't done the work to verify this, but I don't

Re: voting system for future venues?

On 25 Aug 2011, at 14:58, Nathaniel Borenstein wrote: > > I'm not saying this is the whole problem -- and it would be interesting to > graph US meetings separately -- but the weakness of the dollar has to be a > factor. -- Nathaniel The graphs are really interesting, but the fact remains you c

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

> "Ole" == Ole Jacobsen writes: Ole> * Sticking to our fixed dates, published up to 5 years in Ole> advance. Ole> I think you will find that the one-roof solution does indeed Ole> lead to fairly expensive HQ properties, this is more or less Ole> true all over the world an

Re: voting system for future venues?

On Aug 25, 2011, at 2:13 AM, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > On 24/08/2011 23:12, Keith Moore wrote: >> Maybe there needs to be some sort of voting system for future venues. > > First of all, remember that the community asked for venue selections > 2 to 3 years in advance. I don't think that many peopl

Questionnaire to survey opinion concerning a possible redefinition of UTC

Since several RFCs rely on UTC and leap seconds (3339, 4765, 5905, etc), this questionnaire may be of interest for some persons [the Web page mentions two articles, if you are in a hurry, the first one is the PRO and the second one the CON]. One more week to comment. http://hpiers.obspm.fr/eop-pc/

Re: voting system for future venues?

On 08/25/2011 02:36, Glen Zorn wrote: > On 8/25/2011 3:52 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > >> Including only the hotel costs may (I haven't crunched the numbers) be >> providing a very distorted view of the situation. In order to get the >> whole picture you have to include the meeting fees and air fare,

Re: voting system for future venues?

On 8/25/2011 3:52 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > Including only the hotel costs may (I haven't crunched the numbers) be > providing a very distorted view of the situation. In order to get the > whole picture you have to include the meeting fees and air fare, at > minimum. As I believe has been mentione

Re: IAOC, travel and hotel prices

Dear IETF Administrative Oversight Committee, I hope that the questions below are in full compliance with BCP 101. If not, please feel free to ignore them. A few years back, the IAOC posted the following information: Venue I advantages include: * Rooms and meeting space under one roof * M

Re: voting system for future venues?

Including only the hotel costs may (I haven't crunched the numbers) be providing a very distorted view of the situation. In order to get the whole picture you have to include the meeting fees and air fare, at minimum. Doug -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much.