Re: Gen-ART LC review of draft-faltstrom-5892bis-04

2011-06-08 Thread Vint Cerf
setting aside interpretation and semantics for a moment, would there be utility in maintaining tables for each instance of Unicode? v On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Jun 7, 2011, at 6:24 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > > > I think this is an improvement but there is one i

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-idnabis-rationale-13

2009-10-15 Thread Vint Cerf
thanks Ben, input much appreciated - minor comments can be addressed by the document editor. v On Oct 13, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see http://www.alvestrand.

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Internationalized Domain Names in Applications, Revised (idnabis)

2009-08-20 Thread Vint Cerf
Thomas, we are so close to the finish line that I don't think it is worth the time and potential controversy to revise the charter beyond giving flexibility on the mapping matter. The notion of including a non-normative mapping document was very late in the process and the charter just gi

Re: Single-letter names (was: Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes?)

2008-07-07 Thread Vint Cerf
honetically, using a different script, and then selecting the relevant characters from a menu -- in those cases, the phonetic representations are typically more than a character or two long and the menu selection provides an extra check about false matches). john --On Thursday, 03 July, 2008 19:

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes?

2008-07-07 Thread Vint Cerf
seems odd to me too, James. vint On Jul 3, 2008, at 6:14 PM, James Seng wrote: At the moment, the condition is "no single Unicode code point." To the extent that a single CJK ideograph can be expressed using a single Unicode code point, this would represent the situation to which you say you

Re: E-bone collapse

2002-07-14 Thread vint cerf
even if WorldCom enters chapter 11, I am confident that UUNET and the MAE Systems will continue to operate normally. vint At 01:45 AM 7/14/2002 +0100, Rob Evans wrote: >This is decidedly off-topic for this list, but the current Worldcom >transit is both backed up by another provider and only te

Re: E-bone collapse

2002-07-11 Thread vint cerf
no KPN is the dutch company that held a joint venture with QWEST and this JV owned EBONE. Users were transitioned to a network owned by KPN if my information is correct. vint At 10:40 PM 7/11/2002 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote: >Dear Loyd Wood, >That E-bone collapse you spoke of a few days a

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-05-01 Thread vint cerf
Discussion list?? vint At 12:01 PM 5/1/2002 +0200, Alexandre Dulaunoy wrote: >On Wed, 1 May 2002, vint cerf wrote: > >> At 03:00 PM 5/1/2002 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >> > For instance, it could assert that the assumed >> >state was that inform

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-05-01 Thread vint cerf
At 03:00 PM 5/1/2002 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > For instance, it could assert that the assumed >state was that information was in the public domain, and resist the move to >assume all information innately carries enforceable restrictions ab initio. current copyright law says that from th

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-04-30 Thread vint cerf
i think people should be free to create and share but that those who wish to claim rights should not be prevented from doing so. vint At 12:14 AM 5/1/2002 -0400, Keith Moore wrote: >however, there seems to be a strong and alarming tendency for global legal frameworks >on >IPR to discourage, ra

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-04-30 Thread vint cerf
well, keith since we cannot amend RFCs maybe you should prepare one of your own? I am not sure that the idea of killing intellectual property is the right one either. We all know there is something wrong with the current set up but I am no sure that the wholesale dispatch of Intellectual Property

Re: PPP

2002-03-01 Thread vint cerf
IP is encapsulated in PPP for all practical purposes. PPP can support multiple protocols on a single point to point link in the same way ethernet can support multiple protocols vint At 08:01 AM 3/1/2002 -0500, Bill Cunningham wrote: >Is IP actually encapsulated in PPP, or is PPP and IP sent out a

Re: of control and frogs, Re: What is at stake?

2002-01-24 Thread vint cerf
this formulation does not take into account the transfer of responsibility and authority for policy increasingly to NSF and to the so-called Federal Networking Council after about 1988. NSF's role increased substantially with the creation of the NSFNET. In any case the principal point is that the

Re: What is at stake?

2002-01-24 Thread vint cerf
yes - Phone Net (University of Delaware developed) and the Telenet (X.25) vint At 11:03 AM 1/24/2002 -0500, Michael Hammer wrote: >Quick question: Could one university communicate to another university without going >through the ARPANET? > >Mike

Re: What is at stake?

2002-01-24 Thread vint cerf
Mike, actually DCA had only responsibility for the ARPANET and MILNET, officially. The rest were the responsibility of the network operators - usually schools and research labs. In 1981 the CSNET project brought up non-DoD components including PhoneNet and the X.25 extension of Internet develope

Re: New idea in TCP

2001-04-02 Thread vint cerf
there is the problem of spoofing that makes this somewhat more difficult that is outlined below. vint At 02:43 PM 4/2/2001 +0800, R.Z. Pan wrote: >Hi, all: > I'm a newbie from P.R.China and I do some load balance stuffs. I noticed >that HTTP Protocol has a redirection mechanism to lead user to

re: presentation-prep a hazard...

2001-03-22 Thread vint cerf
Power corrupts; Powerpoint corrupts absolutely. vint At 03:23 PM 3/21/2001 -0500, Mike O'Dell wrote: >actually the hazard of Powerpoint is to the IETF, >whether or not airborne > >i'd be in favor of a rule outlawing printed slides, >much less real-time video spew with projectors > >but then i'm

RE: Blast from the past

2001-01-25 Thread vint cerf
my recollection is that we did very little email conversion - but maybe I am thinking just about ftp? vint At 08:33 PM 1/25/2001 -0800, Dave Crocker wrote: >At 10:21 PM 1/25/2001 -0500, vint cerf wrote: >>we never actually did this though > >except for email... > > >>

RE: Blast from the past

2001-01-25 Thread vint cerf
we never actually did this though vint At 05:52 PM 1/25/2001 -0800, Peter Ford wrote: >Ah, dual stacks, a time tested transition strategy. But there was some Application >Layer Gateway cruft (ALG) although not at the level of sophistication and beauty of a >NAT ... > >From RFC 801: > >Becau

RE: Number of Firewall/NAT Users

2001-01-20 Thread vint cerf
a nightmare it seems to me v At 02:39 PM 1/20/2001 -0800, Bernard D. Aboba wrote: >What is worth thinking about is what this will imply for the future >internet architecture. It is one thing to address issues brought up by a >single well functioning NAT within the same administrative domain. I

RE: Number of Firewall/NAT Users

2001-01-20 Thread vint cerf
what about business users, bernard? vint At 06:47 AM 1/20/2001 -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: >The fraction of consumer users behind NATs is largely >limited by the number of multiple PC households. As >of 2000, my understanding is that 27 percent of >households have multiple PCs. Of those househol

Re: Balkanize - IDN ii

2000-12-07 Thread vint cerf
keep it simple. roughly: be tolerant in what you receive and conservative in what you send - (to promote interoperability). vint At 05:11 PM 12/7/2000 -0500, Dan Kolis wrote: >General question: >Jon Postel got amazing results... Many of the old(er) timers in this >business must have talked to

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-06 Thread vint cerf
Mr. Ohta has put his finger on a key point: ability of all parties to generate email addresses, web page URLs and so on. Even if we introduce extended character sets, it seems vital that there be some form of domain name that can be rendered (and entered) as simple IA4 characters to assure continu

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-05 Thread vint cerf
however the value of the public Internet is surely in its widespread accessibility and interoperability. vint At 05:10 PM 12/5/2000 +0900, Martin J. Duerst wrote: >I think there is a difference between making it technically possible >for everybody to participate in whatever community they want,

Re: Example of dns (non) fun

2000-12-05 Thread vint cerf
from a purely mechanical point of view, if the character encoding of these two strings makes them distinct, one might have to treat them as distinct registrations - unless a very mechanical means of converting them both into some canonical form were available to make them "match" - one would imag

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-03 Thread vint cerf
In my opinion, it is vital to craft Internet's evolution so as to maintain full connectivity and interworking among all its parts. I do not see "balkanization" as a good thing at all. I believe there are sound technical means to achieve the objective of incorporating character sets associated with

Re: Topic drift Re: An Internet Draft as reference material

2000-10-01 Thread vint cerf
in the Internet environment, and in particular in the I-D environment, this could be particularly difficult. Maybe the search engines will help :-) v At 11:06 AM 10/1/2000 -0700, Melinda Shore wrote: >If one were to get anal about it, legally intellectual >property claims have to be actively pro

Re: Topic drift Re: An Internet Draft as reference material

2000-10-01 Thread vint cerf
Robert, I think the I-D are explicitly NOT public domain. Even in WG form, they carry rights held by the author and implicit licenses to the WG for derivative works. To make something public domain I think you have to take a fairly definite action or declaration since the most recent revisions of

Re: Topic drift Re: An Internet Draft as reference material

2000-10-01 Thread vint cerf
I don't think the issue is "weight" as much as it is the rights to intellectual property contained within the I-D (and here I mean intellectual property in the most general sense of the term so as to include copyrights and also other intellectual property rights). At least that's where a good dea

Re: Topic drift Re: An Internet Draft as reference material

2000-09-28 Thread vint cerf
the twist between I-D and lab notebook is that the I-D is often an explicitly shared document (group lab notebook). Vint

Re: Topic drift Re: An Internet Draft as reference material

2000-09-27 Thread vint cerf
perhaps I-Ds are more like elaborated lab notebooks? very useful for patent references, reviewing dead ends, partly explored ideas, etc. One doesn't typically throw away lab notebooks just because you didn't write a published paper based on them. vint At 12:23 PM 9/27/2000 -0400, John C Klensin

Re: Mobile Multimedia Messaging Service

2000-09-16 Thread vint cerf
patrik, would it be useful, in the context of establishing peer-to-peer communications (or even client/server communications) with limited-function mobile devices, to use SIP as a framework for negotiating the parameters that should guide the nature of the exchange? I'm thinking, for instance, of

Re: Quality task force on web sites

2000-09-05 Thread vint cerf
however, ISTF might be a good place to pursue such ideas. see www.istf.org or www.istf.isoc.org vint At 12:52 PM 9/5/2000 -0500, Dave Crocker wrote: >At 11:31 AM 9/5/00 +0200, Barathy, RamaSubramaniam wrote: >>Would it not be nice to have some sort of quality control task force that >>assigns