For your information the IUSG (interested in the Intelligent Use of
the whole digital ecosystem) has just released the following statement
which reflect a friendly but non-IETF evaluation of the "Modern Global
Standards Paradigm" document proposed by the IETF and IAB Chairs to
the endo
For those utterly mystified by the recent message under the above subject
header, let me note that my spam folder earlier today included a rather
incomprehensible message from JFC Morfin. I'm about to add jean-michel
bernier de portzamparc to my spam filters too, of course.
Alternatively, you coul
Dear Mr. Carpenter,
I do not understand this.
Would you want to examplify the ITU supposed good manners?
I am lost.
Portzamparc
2012/8/12 Brian E Carpenter :
> For those utterly mystified by the recent message under the above subject
> header, let me note that my spam folder earlier today included
> "jean-michel" == jean-michel bernier de portzamparc
> writes:
jean-michel> Dear Mr. Carpenter,
jean-michel> I do not understand this.
jean-michel> Would you want to examplify the ITU supposed good manners?
jean-michel> I am lost.
So am I.
You process to represent open
2012/8/12 Michael Richardson
>
> > "jean-michel" == jean-michel bernier de portzamparc <
> jma...@gmail.com> writes:
> jean-michel> Dear Mr. Carpenter,
> jean-michel> I do not understand this.
> jean-michel> Would you want to examplify the ITU supposed good manners?
> jean-mic
The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
here:
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-iesg-opsplenary-15.pdf
An earlier version was discussed in plenary, and the IAB Chair called
for comments on the
At 08:19 10-08-2012, IETF Chair wrote:
The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
here:
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-iesg-opsplenary-15.pdf
[snip]
The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend
ir wrote:
>
> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
> here:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-iesg-opsplenary-15.pdf
>
> An earlier version was discussed in plenary,
IAB; IETF
> Subject: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm
>
>
> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
> here:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-iesg-opsplenar
I support the IETF and IAB chairs signing document.
Bob
On Aug 10, 2012, at 8:19 AM, IETF Chair wrote:
>
> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
> here:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceeding
net
> in their country to attempt to standardize their approach. Much easier
> to circumvent fixed blocks than the current moving target.
>
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendship_Games
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:19 AM, IETF Chair wrote:
>>
>&g
rdize their approach. Much easier
>> to circumvent fixed blocks than the current moving target.
>>
>>
>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendship_Games
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:19 AM, IETF Chair wrote:
>>>
>>> The IETF Chair a
I support this too.
Regards
Brian Carpenter
On 10/08/2012 23:55, Bob Hinden wrote:
> I support the IETF and IAB chairs signing document.
>
> Bob
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 8:19 AM, IETF Chair wrote:
>
>> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
ritocracy, even hairstyle. However, the hype that the
Modern Global Standards Paradigm poses on industrial and commercial
competition dwarfs the aim at benefiting humanity --"hollow words"
someone said.
With different purposes and techniques, networking giants, closed
countries, and SDOs, a
At 15:52 10-08-2012, Eric Burger wrote:
that the ITU-T wants to write Internet standards. The proposal being
put forth is that ONLY ITU-T standards will be the *legal* standards
accepted by signatory nations.
Phillip posted the following comment previously:
"The strength of the IETF negotia
> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
> here:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-iesg-opsplenary-15.pdf
no brainer.
randy
On 11/08/2012 10:39, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
> I wish to thank Phillip and Eric for their illuminating comments.
>
> However, I'm still not clear on the role that great powers may play in
> the standards development and deployment, compared to that of vested
> interests.
Traditionally, and sti
n the Affirmation
> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
> here:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-iesg-opsplenary-15.pdf
>
> An earlier version was discussed in plenary, and the IAB Chair called
> for comments on the IETF mail list
I support the thrust of the "Modern Global Standards Paradigm" It is
particularly timely as the US formally prepares for meetings of the ITU and
CITEL and there are some aspirations from some members and staff at ITU
inconsistent with the market based approach to standards s
On 8/10/2012 3:52 PM, Eric Burger wrote:
Just as it is not fair to say that if the ITU-T gets its way the
world will end, it is also not fair to say there is no risk to
allowing the ITU-T to get a privileged, NON-VOLUNTARY, position in
the communications world.
Given the historical example o
--On Friday, August 10, 2012 15:52 -0700 Eric Burger
wrote:
> PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE read what the proposal is. The proposal
> being put forth is not that the ITU-T wants to write Internet
> standards. The proposal being put forth is that ONLY ITU-T
> standards will be the *legal* standards acc
On 8/11/2012 7:56 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
I don't think the facts support "TCP/IP in the
market killed OSI" except in a vary narrow sense. It would be
much more accurate to say that OSI self-destructed and the
TCP/IP was then available as a working technology that satisfied
most of the
> From: John C Klensin
> It is worth remembering that in the most critical part of that period,
> the IETF wasn't developing/pushing TCP/IP in the marketplace but had
> its face firmly immersed in the KoolAid trough
Ahem. There were quite a few of us in the IETF sphere who were n
+1
But do not discount the possibility that inducing the US to withdraw
is the objective of certain parties in this little exercise.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:56 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
>
>
> --On Friday, August 10, 2012 15:52 -0700 Eric Burger
> wrote:
>
>> PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE read what
--On Saturday, August 11, 2012 12:51 -0400 Phillip Hallam-Baker
wrote:
>...
> But do not discount the possibility that inducing the US to
> withdraw is the objective of certain parties in this little
> exercise.
Given the fraction of the ITU budget and the even larger
fraction of the T-Sector
--On Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:20 -0400 Noel Chiappa
wrote:
> > From: John C Klensin
>
> > It is worth remembering that in the most critical part
> of that period, > the IETF wasn't developing/pushing
> TCP/IP in the marketplace but had > its face firmly
> immersed in the K
2012 16:20
> To: IETF-Announce
> Cc: IAB; IETF
> Subject: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm
>
>
> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
> here:
>
>
http://www.ietf.org/proc
On Aug 11, 2012, at 5:05 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
>> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
>> here:
>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-iesg-opsplenary-15.pdf
On 11/08/12 19:10, Paul Hoffman wrote:
On Aug 11, 2012, at 5:05 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
here:
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-iesg-opsplenary-15.pdf
At 06:58 11-08-2012, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
Traditionally, and still in some countries, the telecommunications
monopolist *is* the government, so defending the monopoly is directly
in the government's financial interest. In other countries, where
there's still a de facto monopoly, that monopoli
On Aug 11, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 5:05 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>
>>> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
>>> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
>>> here:
>>>
>
On Aug 11, 2012, at 9:41 PM, SM wrote:
> Here is a rough estimate of users for one content provider:
>
> US 158,758,940
> Brazil 54,902,560
> India 51,925,180
> UK 37,569,580
> France 24,345,920
> Italy 21,822,640
> Canada 17,474,940
> Spain 16,075,560
> Egypt
On Aug 11, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 5:05 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>
>>> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
>>> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
>>> here:
>>>
>
> From: Yoav Nir
> These operators are (hypothetically) Libyan citizens, right? Residents
> of Libya who could go to jail for routing around the problem. Most
> likely on a charge of espionage.
That worked pretty well for Qaddhafi. Oh, wait... Yes, it cost some whom he
did catch,
singing this statement is the right thing to do
Scott
(responding to a sorta-last-call)
On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 5:05 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>
>>> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
>>> of the
On Aug 12, 2012, at 00:51, Scott O Bradner wrote:
> singing this statement is the right thing to do
For 0.29 seconds, I imagined you in front of a microphone in a recording
studio, singing "Modern Global Standards Paradigm" to the tune of "All the
young dudes". For
nging this statement is the right thing to do
>
> For 0.29 seconds, I imagined you in front of a microphone in a recording
> studio, singing "Modern Global Standards Paradigm" to the tune of "All the
> young dudes". For 0.29 seconds...
>
> Grüße, Carsten
>
>
ecording
> studio, singing "Modern Global Standards Paradigm" to the tune of "All the
> young dudes". For 0.29 seconds...
>
> Grüße, Carsten
>
Hi Yoav,
At 13:08 11-08-2012, Yoav Nir wrote:
These operators are (hypothetically) Libyan citizens,
right? Residents of Libya who
Yes.
The number of international gateways does not matter, if all the
operators have to comply with the government's blacklist, or have to
install a government-m
On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:06 AM, SM wrote:
>> Not trusting the certificate just means you get annoying warnings.
>> It won't let you circumvent it. Living in an authoritarian country
>> means you don't get to play cat & mouse with your government
>
> In most countries you don't play cat and mouse
I support that IETF and IAB chairs sign this document.
Bert
- Original Message -
From: "IETF Chair"
To: "IETF-Announce"
Cc: "IAB" ; "IETF"
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 5:19 PM
Subject: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm
The IET
+1
AB
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 8:19 AM, IETF Chair wrote:
>>
>>> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
>>> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
>>> here:
>>>
>>> http://www.
Dave,
On 12/08/2012 17:14, Dave Crocker wrote:
...
> Again, what's happening here is a form of 'let's ignore IETF process
> because this is such a wonderful cause'.
>
> It is, indeed, a wonderful cause, but I don't recall our establishing
> rules that are to be applied only when we feel like it,
On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:55 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
> I support the IETF and IAB chairs signing document.
+1
--Alain
>
> Bob
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 8:19 AM, IETF Chair wrote:
>
>>
>> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
>> of
+1
On 8/11/12 8:10 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 5:05 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>
>>> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
>>> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
>>> here:
>>>
>>>
a.ansi.org/sites/apdl/Documents/Standards%20Activities/Critical%20Issues/Key_Issues_Impacting_Global_Standardization_and_Conformance.pdf )
There is much overlap between the elements of the Modern Global standards
paradigm and the WTO principles
Indeed a case might be made that by some that while
gt;Bob
>
>On Aug 10, 2012, at 8:19 AM, IETF Chair wrote:
>
>>
>> The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation
>> of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
>> here:
>>
>>
>>http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/sl
of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found
> here:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-iesg-opsplenary-15.pdf
>
> An earlier version was discussed in plenary, and the IAB Chair called
> for comments on the IETF mail list. This version inclu
especially where open source is commonplace)
>
> Based on the Last Call discussion, this change was recommended to the other
> signers. This change was accepted, and this phrase will be deleted.
>
> Thanks again,
> Russ Housley
> IETF Chair
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2012
royalty-free (especially where
open source is commonplace) to fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory terms
(FRAND).
Regards
Brian Carpenter
On 02/08/2012 03:19, IAB Chair wrote:
> The IAB, IESG, IEEE-SA and W3C have been developing an
> <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-ie
Greetings again. At the plenary last night, Russ said that the expected
signatories are those three organizations and hopefully other SDOs. People
active in SDOs other than those three were encouraged to try to get those
additional SDOs to sign the final wording.
However, it seems like many oth
On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:55, Bob Hinden wrote:
> I support the IETF and IAB chairs signing document.
+1
(I'd even co-sign for the IRTF, but I think that isn't really appropriate in
this case.)
Lars
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On 8/11/2012 8:13 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
On Aug 11, 2012, at 16:41, Dave Crocker wrote:
consensus-oriented process
Sometimes, though, you have to act.
While a consensus-oriented process*) document could certainly be used
to improve (or deteriorate) the document by a couple more epsilons
On 8/11/2012 8:13 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
On Aug 11, 2012, at 16:41, Dave Crocker wrote:
consensus-oriented process
Sometimes, though, you have to act.
While a consensus-oriented process*) document could certainly be used
to improve (or deteriorate) the document by a couple more epsilons
At 08:20 11-08-2012, Dave Crocker wrote:
My point was that we have a process for assessing IETF support and
it's not being used. Something quite different is being used.
I'm not arguing against the document, but merely noting that an
implication of IETF community support is going to be presen
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 20:49 -0700, SM wrote:
...
>
> At 19:06 11-08-2012, Glen Zorn wrote:
> >any one other than themselves. If support by IETF members at-large
> >is to be signified, then an online petition of some sort would be a
> >much better idea & much less deceptive.
>
> RFCs, for ex
Hi Glen,
At 23:13 11-08-2012, Glen Zorn wrote:
Sorry, I don't get your point. The referenced RFC says
It was the Spring of 1995. The place was known as Danvers. That
meeting is remembered because of the Danvers Doctrine.
Presumably, the IAB & IESG came to this concern through consensus
a
> My point was that we have a process for assessing IETF support and it's not
> being used. Something quite different is being used.
I'm not so sure.
It's true that this was not put into an Internet Draft. Apart from
that, we seem to be doing the right thing:
- The IAB Chair announced the text
On 8/12/2012 8:02 AM, Barry Leiba wrote:
It's true that this was not put into an Internet Draft. Apart from
that, we seem to be doing the right thing: - The IAB Chair announced
the text and the intent to sign it on 1 Aug.
Two weeks is normal process for spontaneous consensus calls?
When did
", being the IAB Chair on 1 Aug, as I said in my message, did:
<< The IAB, IESG, IEEE-SA and W3C have been developing an “Affirmation
of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm”. Comments may be sent to
i...@iab.org. >>
I any case, I recommend that you make specific, constructive
sugges
en we feel like it, or in varied
manner that our management decides is sufficient.
He asked for comments.
No he didn't:
"He", being the IAB Chair on 1 Aug, as I said in my message, did:
<< The IAB, IESG, IEEE-SA and W3C have been developing an “Affirmation
of the Modern Gl
Dave
If I interpret what you seem to be saying, it is that you care
more for the micro-observance of IETF protocol, than
taking steps to avoid Internet governance being
transferred by government decree to a secretive
agency of the UN that runs by government majority.
Is that a correct assessmen
On Aug 12, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote:
> If I interpret what you seem to be saying, it is that you care
> more for the micro-observance of IETF protocol, than
> taking steps to avoid Internet governance being
> transferred by government decree to a secretive
> agency of the UN that ru
On Aug 12, 2012, at 19:51, Stewart Bryant wrote:
> If I interpret what you seem to be saying, it is that you care
> more for the micro-observance of IETF protocol, than
> taking steps to avoid Internet governance being
> transferred by government decree to a secretive
> agency of the UN that runs
On Aug 12, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote:
> Dave
>
> If I interpret what you seem to be saying, it is that you care
> more for the micro-observance of IETF protocol, than
> taking steps to avoid Internet governance being
> transferred by government decree to a secretive
> agency of the
At 10:51 12-08-2012, Stewart Bryant wrote:
If I interpret what you seem to be saying, it is that you care
more for the micro-observance of IETF protocol, than
taking steps to avoid Internet governance being
transferred by government decree to a secretive
agency of the UN that runs by government m
On 13/08/2012 04:03, Michael StJohns wrote:
...
> We've - collectively, through process established over many years - selected
> a team of our colleagues to perform a circumscribed set of tasks. Efficiency
> suggests we should mostly stand back and let them get on with it.
At the risk of being
On Mon 13/Aug/2012 03:22:52 +0200 JFC Morfin wrote:
> At 19:16 11/08/2012, John C Klensin wrote:
>
>> On the other hand, irrational behavior would be nothing new in this
>> area so I can't disagree with the possibility.
>
> Correct. This is why, if I understand the motivation, I strongly
> disagr
Hi Dave,
I agree that procedure of ietf processes should be respected and
followed by all, and/or community should understand such difference in
process before asked its opinion. I hope your comments will be
considered by IETF and IAB in the future.
thanking you for your comments,
AB
--
--On Monday, August 13, 2012 11:11 +0200 Alessandro Vesely
wrote:
>...
> FWIW, I'd like to recall that several governments endorse IETF
> protocols by establishing Internet based procedures for
> official communications with the relevant PA, possibly giving
> them legal standing. Francesco Gen
+1. The ITU is not evil. It just is not the right place for Internet standards
development. As John points out, there are potential uses of the ITU-T for good.
On Aug 13, 2012, at 10:50 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
>
>
> --On Monday, August 13, 2012 11:11 +0200 Alessandro Vesely
> wrote:
>
>> .
I will say "there are potential uses of the ITU for good".
--Alain
On Aug 14, 2012, at 6:26 AM, Eric Burger wrote:
> +1. The ITU is not evil. It just is not the right place for Internet
> standards development. As John points out, there are potential uses of the
> ITU-T for good.
>
> On Aug
- Original Message -
From: "ALAIN AINA"
To: "IETF"
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 1:21 PM
I will say "there are potential uses of the ITU for good".
Yes, they did a brilliant job in developing standards which allow
the proprietary phone network of one country to interface to
the propr
--On Monday, August 13, 2012 22:26 -0400 Eric Burger
wrote:
> +1. The ITU is not evil. It just is not the right place for
> Internet standards development. As John points out, there are
> potential uses of the ITU-T for good.
Eric,
I'd narrow your first statement further and say "Internet
tec
of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm
The IAB, IESG, IEEE-SA and W3C have been developing an "Affirmation of the
Modern Global Standards
Paradigm"<http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-iesg-opsplenary-4.pdf>.
Comments may be sent to i...@iab.org<mailto:i...@iab.org>.
On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:16 PM, John E Drake wrote:
>> I take it that John's question is really *why* do these principles need
>> to be articulated in public. Perhaps the IAB should answer that, but my
>> answer
>> is: because there is a real danger of some SDOs, including but not
>> limited to the
.org
> Subject: Re: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:16 PM, John E Drake wrote:
>
> >> I take it that John's question is really *why* do these principles
> >> need to be articulated in public. Perhaps the IAB should answe
Hi John,
On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:41 PM, John E Drake wrote:
> JD: To what purpose? As an aside, I get the 'feel-good' aspect, but is
> there anything more?
I like the term - IAB documents as 'feel-good' publications.
The IAB publishes a variety of different documents. Some of them are formal
On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:41 PM, John E Drake wrote:
>> JD: To what purpose? As an aside, I get the 'feel-good' aspect, but is
>> there anything more?
When RFC 1984 was published, I was serving as IAB Chair and found myself invited
here and there to give talks to men in suits. Since crypto policy
Hi Hannes,
At 07:33 15-08-2012, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
they make sense (at least to most of us, as folks noted in this
discussion thread). The 'Openness', for example, is in my view
extremely important since it allows relevant stakeholders to
participate: Think about how low the barrier is to
mailto:hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:33 AM
> To: John E Drake
> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; Brian E Carpenter; Eliot Lear; i...@iab.org;
> ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm
>
> Hi John,
>
>
ociety needs to speak for themselves.
Ciao
Hannes
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:33 AM
>> To: J
On 16/08/2012 09:10, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
...
>> 4) What is the relationship between this document and the mission of the
>> ISOC, which, as I understand it, is to promote the open development,
>> evolution, and use of the Internet?
>
> The Internet Society needs to speak for themselves.
You seem to know the IAB charter quite well, Brian!
It is true that the mission of the Internet Society is "To promote the open
development, evolution, and use of the Internet for the benefit of all people
throughout the world".
The principles listed in the discussed document are a good fit to
+1
Alkuperäinen viesti
Aihe: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm
Lähettäjä: "Eggert, Lars"
Vastaanottaja: Bob Hinden
Kopio: IAB ,IETF
On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:55, Bob Hinden wrote:
> I support the IETF and IAB chairs signing document.
+1
(I&#
On Aug 11, 2012, at 16:41, Dave Crocker wrote:
> consensus-oriented process
Sometimes, though, you have to act.
While a consensus-oriented process*) document could certainly be used to
improve (or deteriorate) the document by a couple more epsilons, I agree with
Randy Bush: Signing it now is
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 17:13 +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 16:41, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
> > consensus-oriented process
>
> Sometimes, though, you have to act.
>
> While a consensus-oriented process*) document could certainly be used to
> improve (or deteriorate) the docum
Glen and others -
I wanted to go back and comment on the assertion that Glen made that the IETF
and IAB chairs do not "'represent' [him] or any one other than themselves". I
believe he is correct with respect to himself, and incorrect with respect to
the IETF.
I agree the IETF is not a "repr
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Michael StJohns
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:03 PM
To: Glen Zorn; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Sta
John,
On 8/15/12 12:03 AM, John E Drake wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Does this document actually have a purpose, and if so, what is it?
>
>
>
>
To me (and I speak only for me here), the purpose of this document is to
articulate principles that have made the Internet a success. It is a
means to in
On 15/08/2012 07:24, Eliot Lear wrote:
> John,
>
> On 8/15/12 12:03 AM, John E Drake wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does this document actually have a purpose, and if so, what is it?
>>
>
> To me (and I speak only for me here), the purpose of this document is to
> articulate principles that have made the In
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> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:00 AM
> To: Eliot Lear
> Cc: John E Drake; i...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: FW: Affirmation of
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From: Eliot Lear [mailto:l...@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:25 PM
To: John E Drake
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Subject: Re: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm
John,
On 8/15/12 12:03 AM, John E Drake wrote:
Hi,
Does this document
Hi John,
On 8/15/12 2:15 PM, John E Drake wrote:
>
>
> To me (and I speak only for me here), the purpose of this document is
> to articulate principles that have made the Internet a success.
>
>
>
> JD: This seems a bit presumptuous to me.
>
It's an assertion. I wouldn't claim, by the way,
Brian,
let be candid. The text of Bernard Adoba (Microsoft) is 100% in line with
the Microsoft political line broadly publish under cover of Human Rights as
the Global Network Initiative (http://www.globalnetworkinitiative.org/).
Since the co-founder/influencer of GNI is Google (with Yahoo!) also
Sorry for sending the mail too fast. I finish it.
2012/8/15 Marie-France Berny
> Brian,
>
> let be candid. The text of Bernard Adoba (Microsoft) is 100% in line with
> the Microsoft political line broadly publish under cover of Human Rights as
> the Global Network Initiative (http://www.globalne
: Re: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm
Hi John,
On 8/15/12 2:15 PM, John E Drake wrote:
To me (and I speak only for me here), the purpose of this document is to
articulate principles that have made the Internet a success.
JD: This seems a bit presumptuous to me.
It'
Hi John,
>Does this document actually have a purpose, and if so, what is it?
IMO the document introduces important statements (purpose and objectives)
so that other organisations and SDOs recognise while interacting with IETF.
It may look simple or known, but necessary for IETF future cooperation
ore comprehensive agreement in place for
MPLS-TP.
Thanks,
John
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From: Abdussalam Baryun [mailto:abdussalambar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:29 AM
To: John E Drake
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Subject: Re: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm
Hi John,
>
esday, August 15, 2012 6:29 AM
> *To:* John E Drake
> *Cc:* ietf
> *Subject:* Re: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm
>
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>
> Hi John,
>
>
>
> >Does this document actually have a purpose, and if so, what is it?
>
> IMO
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