>Flights to Vancouver from some cities were extremely expensive. It would
>have cost me more than twice as much as it did to fly to Beijing, for
>example, if I had taken a direct flight from DFW - it would have been by
>far my most expensive IETF airfare ever.
That's very odd. I see lots of fare
The thing is that I don't need a flight to DFW to YVR for this coming week
and I don't see the prices you do either. I did not buy my tickets at the
last minute and believe it or not, I'm actually not lying about what I paid
for my tickets to YVR nor to Beijing. I made a very simple statement of
The thing is that I don't need a flight to DFW to YVR for this coming week
and I don't see the prices you do either. I did not buy my tickets at the
last minute and believe it or not, I'm actually not lying about what I paid
for my tickets to YVR nor to Beijing. I made a very simple statement o
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM, John R Levine wrote:
> The thing is that I don't need a flight to DFW to YVR for this coming week
>> and I don't see the prices you do either. I did not buy my tickets at the
>> last minute and believe it or not, I'm actually not lying about what I
>> paid
>> for
> From: John Levine [jo...@taugh.com]
>
> >It would have cost me more than twice as much as it did to fly to
> >Beijing, for example, if I had taken a direct flight from DFW
>
> That's very odd. I see lots of fares from DFW to YVR from Saturday to
> Saturday via Houston or Denver for in upcoming
Dear colleagues,
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:42:10AM -0400, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote:
> I expect that a chunk of the variance hinges on the qualifier
While the vagaries of air transport costs fascinate me, I'm not sure
how the question of the cost of one route at one time for one person
is bro
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext
Andrew Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:11 PM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Dear colleagues,
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:42:10AM -0400, Worley, Dale R
:28:33
To: ext Andrew Sullivan;
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Why the survey should limit it to the last five meetings...
In the long history we experienced additional good places
So maybe the survey should be more open and let each list his 3-5 favorable
BTW, if anyone finds the venue question extremely compelling / interesting
-- consider seeking a spot on the IAOC during the next nominating period.
- Jason
BTW, if anyone finds the venue question extremely compelling / interesting
-- consider seeking a spot on the IAOC during the next nominating period.
Yes, please do. Frankly, I'd prefer there be competition; it creates
healthy debate within nomcom and might even improve community awareness
Hi,
My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great
meeting venues, with everything you need nearby.
My least favoured venues have been Dublin, Vienna and Maastricht.
Of course, you have to experiment to find good repeat venues...
Tim
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been downtown. Same
for Vienna.
Steve
On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Tim Chown wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great
> meeting venues, with everything you need nearby.
>
> My lea
On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker wrote:
> I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been downtown.
> Same for Vienna.
Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue, not a city. Dublin is a
great city. An out of town golf resort is not a great venue.
Tim
> On Aug 7
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Tim Chown wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker wrote:
>
> > I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
> > downtown. Same for Vienna.
>
> Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue, not a city.
> Dublin is a great city. An out of to
rsity" or getting the work done.
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Steve Crocker
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:01 PM
To: Tim Chown
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
I
On 08/08/2012 12:30 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Tim Chown wrote:
>
>> On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker wrote:
>>
>>> I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
>>> downtown. Same for Vienna.
>>
>> Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue,
>So I agree with that. If a feasible venue actually in Dublin
>turns up I'll be sure to let Ray/IAOC/site-visit folks know.
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
MAAWG met there in 2007 and it worked well for us, although that was
a somewhat smaller meeting.
R's,
On 8/7/2012 5:29 PM, John Levine wrote:
So I agree with that. If a feasible venue actually in Dublin
turns up I'll be sure to let Ray/IAOC/site-visit folks know.
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
Yeah, it's exactly that easy to choose a venue. A single
On 8/7/2012 4:34 PM, Richard Shockey wrote:
+1 Prague was excellent .. I actually liked Quebec City but connections
were awful.
I haven't seen anyone post negative comments about Prague in this
thread. By way of probing, I'll ask for them. For example, do folks
who live outside of that r
You said about Prague:
"...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?"
This gets cited often, and I don't really understand why. There are
VERY few European cities that are reachable directly from the US (or
Asia for that matter). Most
On 8/7/2012 7:55 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
You said about Prague:
"...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?"
This gets cited often, and I don't really understand why. There are
VERY few European cities that are reachable directly f
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > Most require transiting some kind of major hub (London, Paris,
> > Frankfurt, Amsterdam to name a few).
>
> So, those hubs are reachable directly from the US and Asia, aren't they?
Yes, they are, and we have met in Paris twice and London once, will
m
>> The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
>
>
>Yeah, it's exactly that easy to choose a venue. A single number does it.[1]
>
>not.
Of course. MAAWG has been there so we know it's not a dump, it's
downtown, they can deal with nerds with lots of computers who demand
>If we restrict European cities to the ones with direct flight
>connections from other continents, we're really limiting the choices.
For some of us, if we limit our choices to places with direct flights,
that means Newark, Philadelphia, or Detroit. Count your blessings.
We can argue about whe
own
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
>
> I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
downtown. Same for
> Vienna.
>
> Steve
>
> On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Tim Chown wrote:
>
On 8/8/2012 11:46 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
shockingly, amsterdam can't handle the ietf. wrong mix of resources.
really.
paris appears to have broad crime and work-ethic patterns that also are
p
Geoff,
What are you talking about? Of course we are "considering" all of
those places. We are going to London in 2014 for example, we went to
Paris this year. But, like with all popular places, finding venues
available for OUR dates is not easy. Add to that the costs and you
will understand w
offlist.
Geoff,
Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been there.
Other than those two tidbits about it, I've no idea what is to be
accomplished by someone's randomly throwing out the names of cities for
a discussion like this, especially when threads like these alway
On Aug 9, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> offlist.
Not so much
> Geoff,
>
> Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been there.
Two more tidbits:
- It's a huge aviation hub. There are direct flights from everywhere, similar
to CDG, Heathrow, or Schiphol
- Unli
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
> So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of
> sticking to one European city, one north American city and one Asian
> city and not picking various cities throughout the world.
Oh, I see. My reading was that we would focus on small nu
Frankfurt has been considered. Turns out that it is one of the most
expensive cities in all of Europe to have a conference. It is also
geared mostly towards large tradeshows. The Frankfurt Messe is about
the size of your average Olympic Park, just walking from the nearest
hotel to your venue Hall
Besides where to to repeat, some new places to go that are cheaper and
closer to me (and possible to others, and perhaps not so bad to many).
Sao Paolo, Mexico City, Miami, Madrid, Cancun, Santiago, Panama, San
Juan
Regards,
as
On 9 Aug 2012, at 12:22, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
Hi,
For new how is Dubai or Barcelona?
Repeat: I would like Prague, Vancouver, Quebec!
Regards,
D
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Arturo Servin wrote:
>
> Besides where to to repeat, some new places to go that are cheaper
> and closer to me (and possible to others, and perhaps not so
Frankfurt?
On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
>
> On 8/8/2012 11:46 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
>> So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
>> Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
>
>
> shockingly, amsterdam can't handle the ietf. wrong mix of resources. reall
So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of sticking to one
European city, one north American city and one Asian city and not picking
various cities throughout the world.
I was just suggesting picking -a- city in Europe that was not multiple hops
from most US hubs. Prague, wh
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
> You said about Prague:
>
> "...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
> additional hop of travel to get to it?"
>
> This
mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf
Of ext Geoff
> Mulligan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:47 PM
> To: Ole Jacobsen
> Cc: Richard Shockey; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
>
> So then why not consider,
Geoff Mulligan; Ole Jacobsen
Cc: ietf@ietf.org; dcroc...@bbiw.net; Richard Shockey
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
InterContinental, Radisso
: ietf@ietf.org; dcroc...@bbiw.net; Richard Shockey
> Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management
> granularity)
>
> Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
>
> Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
> InterContinental, Radisson Blu but also less expensive hotels,
> close to each other.
ent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:20 PM
>> To: ext Geoff Mulligan; Ole Jacobsen
>> Cc: ietf@ietf.org; dcroc...@bbiw.net; Richard Shockey
>> Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management
>> granularity)
>>
>> Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
>>
>> Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
>> InterContinental, Radisson Blu but also less expensive hotels,
>> close to each other.
>
>
>
>
On 8/9/12 2:42 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
> Let me say that a different way. We sometimes have to tolerate
> countries, like the US, who a fussy about visas or immigration
> procedures for people coming from specific other countries. I
> wish we didn't. But, as soon as a country says "if you have
Yes, and sadly that rules out really good venues such as Kuala
Lumpur, quite possibly the least expensive (hotel wise) suitable
location in Asia.
The IAOC researched this recently, quite thoroughly; Ole and I are both
biased towards wanting it. (I lived there for a year.)
This is worth men
xt
> Geoff Mulligan; Richard Shockey; ietf@ietf.org; dcroc...@bbiw.net
> Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
>
> Yes, and sadly that rules out really good venues such as Kuala Lumpur,
quite possibly
> the least expensive (hotel wise) suitable location
We HAVE a requirements document.
Ole
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
> Dare I say that we need a requirements document? ;-)
>
> Peter
>
> Peter Saint-Andre
> https://stpeter.im/
>
>
>
>This is worth mentioning because the MY formal rule is not strict
>prohibition but a formal visa process that is so onerous as to equate to
>a prohibition.
Wouldn't that rule out the United States? It is my impression that
getting a US visa for someone with a Cuban or Iranian passport is
effecti
> "Ole" == Ole Jacobsen writes:
Ole> On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
>> So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of
>> sticking to one European city, one north American city and one Asian
>> city and not picking various cities throughout the worl
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