etf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of Tim Bray
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 12:30 PM
> To: Geoff Mulligan
> Cc: Dave Crocker; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: So, where to repeat?
>
> Frankfurt as the Minneapolis of Europe: central, well-connected, cold,
> unglamorous. -T
On 8/10/12 9:30 AM, Tim Bray wrote:
Frankfurt as the Minneapolis of Europe: central, well-connected, cold,
unglamorous. -T
Also home of the ECB and the Bundesbank which shows when you try to book
a large event into the big hotels near the hauptbahnhof.
"The why have we not met in this large c
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> -Original Message-
> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim
> Bray
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 12:30 PM
> To: Geoff Mulligan
> Cc: Dave Crocker; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: So, where to repeat?
>
> Frankfurt as the
Minneapolis is infinitely more glamorous Frankfurt ..
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim
Bray
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 12:30 PM
To: Geoff Mulligan
Cc: Dave Crocker; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat?
Frankfurt
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Tim Bray wrote:
> Frankfurt as the Minneapolis of Europe: central, well-connected, cold,
> unglamorous. -T
Plus expensive and generally unsuitable for a meeting such as ours,
until the day Bit's and Bites turns into a 200,000 square foot
tradeshow, just kidding! :-)
I ag
Frankfurt as the Minneapolis of Europe: central, well-connected, cold,
unglamorous. -T
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
>
> On 08/09/2012 09:17 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>
>>> offlist.
>>
>> Not so much
>>
>>> Geoff,
>>>
>>>
> "Ole" == Ole Jacobsen writes:
Ole> On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
>> So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of
>> sticking to one European city, one north American city and one Asian
>> city and not picking various cities throughout the worl
On 08/09/2012 09:17 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
On Aug 9, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
offlist.
Not so much
Geoff,
Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been there.
Two more tidbits:
- It's a huge aviation hub. There are direct flights from everywhere, similar
> "Michael" == Michael Richardson writes:
Michael> but please, not Paris in the summer... nor Orlando on
Michael> spring break)
ps: I'm really upset about Orlando in March. We did that in back in
December 1998, and it seemed a failure to me. Maybe this will be a
remote meeting for
>This is worth mentioning because the MY formal rule is not strict
>prohibition but a formal visa process that is so onerous as to equate to
>a prohibition.
Wouldn't that rule out the United States? It is my impression that
getting a US visa for someone with a Cuban or Iranian passport is
effecti
On 8/9/12 3:31 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
> We HAVE a requirements document.
Aha, so it's just that people at the mic haven't read the draft. That
never happens at one of our meetings, does it? ;-)
Unfortunately, I can't seem to find this requirements document in the
datatracker...
Peter
--
Pe
We HAVE a requirements document.
Ole
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
> Dare I say that we need a requirements document? ;-)
>
> Peter
>
> Peter Saint-Andre
> https://stpeter.im/
>
>
>
xt
> Geoff Mulligan; Richard Shockey; ietf@ietf.org; dcroc...@bbiw.net
> Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
>
> Yes, and sadly that rules out really good venues such as Kuala Lumpur,
quite possibly
> the least expensive (hotel wise) suitable location
Yes, and sadly that rules out really good venues such as Kuala
Lumpur, quite possibly the least expensive (hotel wise) suitable
location in Asia.
The IAOC researched this recently, quite thoroughly; Ole and I are both
biased towards wanting it. (I lived there for a year.)
This is worth men
On 8/9/12 2:42 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
> Let me say that a different way. We sometimes have to tolerate
> countries, like the US, who a fussy about visas or immigration
> procedures for people coming from specific other countries. I
> wish we didn't. But, as soon as a country says "if you have
ent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:20 PM
>> To: ext Geoff Mulligan; Ole Jacobsen
>> Cc: ietf@ietf.org; dcroc...@bbiw.net; Richard Shockey
>> Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management
>> granularity)
>>
>> Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
>>
>> Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
>> InterContinental, Radisson Blu but also less expensive hotels,
>> close to each other.
>
>
>
>
: ietf@ietf.org; dcroc...@bbiw.net; Richard Shockey
> Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management
> granularity)
>
> Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
>
> Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
> InterContinental, Radisson Blu but also less expensive hotels,
> close to each other.
Geoff Mulligan; Ole Jacobsen
Cc: ietf@ietf.org; dcroc...@bbiw.net; Richard Shockey
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
InterContinental, Radisso
mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf
Of ext Geoff
> Mulligan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:47 PM
> To: Ole Jacobsen
> Cc: Richard Shockey; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
>
> So then why not consider,
--On Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:55 -0700 Dave Crocker
wrote:
>> This is why I threw out a "not so random" city name -
>> Frankfurt.
>
> Indeed, random was the wrong word. That word is often used
> incorrectly. The correct word is "arbitrary".
>
> It is frankly entirely arbitrary to sugge
I haven't been at any IETF recently, but from my previous
experience, I agree with several commenters about these
cities:
* MINNEAPOLIS consistently works well for IETF meetings.
* VANCOUVER consistently works well for IETF meetings.
* DUBLIN has good air transport links, and would have
ra
On 8/9/2012 11:37 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been
...
I've found it relatively inexpensive, clean and very easy to get to.
Ole's comment was reflecting secretariat and IAOC research.
Individual experience can be very misleading he
On Aug 8, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
>Simon> Does nobody care about going to new places so that new people
>Simon> are exposed to the IETF and may start getting involved?
>
>Simon> We've seen this positive effect many times when we went
>Simon> outside our comfor
+1
Regards,
as
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:40, Michael Richardson wrote:
> Let's innovate for that third meeting, realizing that we do not yet
> have a preferred place in Asia, or any place in Africa or South America,
> but maybe we should.
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
> You said about Prague:
>
> "...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
> additional hop of travel to get to it?"
>
> This
So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of sticking to one
European city, one north American city and one Asian city and not picking
various cities throughout the world.
I was just suggesting picking -a- city in Europe that was not multiple hops
from most US hubs. Prague, wh
Frankfurt?
On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
>
> On 8/8/2012 11:46 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
>> So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
>> Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
>
>
> shockingly, amsterdam can't handle the ietf. wrong mix of resources. reall
> "Simon" == Simon Perreault writes:
Simon> Le 2012-08-08 12:34, Geoff Mulligan a écrit :
>> I also would vote to return to Minneapolis again and again even
>> permanently.
Simon> Does nobody care about going to new places so that new people
Simon> are exposed to the IET
Hi,
For new how is Dubai or Barcelona?
Repeat: I would like Prague, Vancouver, Quebec!
Regards,
D
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Arturo Servin wrote:
>
> Besides where to to repeat, some new places to go that are cheaper
> and closer to me (and possible to others, and perhaps not so
Besides where to to repeat, some new places to go that are cheaper and
closer to me (and possible to others, and perhaps not so bad to many).
Sao Paolo, Mexico City, Miami, Madrid, Cancun, Santiago, Panama, San
Juan
Regards,
as
On 9 Aug 2012, at 12:22, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
Frankfurt has been considered. Turns out that it is one of the most
expensive cities in all of Europe to have a conference. It is also
geared mostly towards large tradeshows. The Frankfurt Messe is about
the size of your average Olympic Park, just walking from the nearest
hotel to your venue Hall
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
> So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of
> sticking to one European city, one north American city and one Asian
> city and not picking various cities throughout the world.
Oh, I see. My reading was that we would focus on small nu
On Aug 9, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> offlist.
Not so much
> Geoff,
>
> Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been there.
Two more tidbits:
- It's a huge aviation hub. There are direct flights from everywhere, similar
to CDG, Heathrow, or Schiphol
- Unli
On 8/9/2012 8:07 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
offlist.
weird. i really did prune the list. sorry.
but then, it's not as if my concern applies only to Geoff's note...
d/
--
Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net
On 8/8/2012 1:52 PM, John Levine wrote:
ps. btw, what is it that you think is different about this from the way
we /do/ discuss protocol specs?
People discussing venues are less willing to believe that anyone
else's experience or issues differ from their own.
A common problem in /any/ IETF
offlist.
Geoff,
Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been there.
Other than those two tidbits about it, I've no idea what is to be
accomplished by someone's randomly throwing out the names of cities for
a discussion like this, especially when threads like these alway
x 87, Farnborough Aerospace
Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)
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> Sent: 06 August 2012 15:0
No more so than Orlando where we are going after Atlanta, in my
opinion. There exists a whole set of requirements ranging from
travel considerations, costs, suitable venue, hotels, and nearby
environment to host and sponsorship availability. I see no reason
why Miami would be automatically exclu
Simon Perreault wrote:
Le 2012-08-08 12:34, Geoff Mulligan a écrit :
I also would vote to return to Minneapolis again and again even
permanently.
Does nobody care about going to new places so that new people are
exposed to the IETF and may start getting involved?
We've seen this positive ef
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 12:18 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> On 8/8/12 12:06 PM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> > Mileage varies.
> >
> > For me it was the shortest and cheapest flight of any IETF meeting I have
> > attended.
>
> If we discussed protocols the way we discuss venue sites, all would be
> los
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext
> Yoav Nir
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:07 PM
> To: Geoff Mulligan
> Cc: Carsten Bormann; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was:Re: management granularity)
>
> Mileage varies.
>
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> >
> > When you are not close (time), flight cost may become higher in the
> > priority (over hotem).
>ps. btw, what is it that you think is different about this from the way
>we /do/ discuss protocol specs?
People discussing venues are less willing to believe that anyone
else's experience or issues differ from their own.
R's,
John
Hi Peter,
At 11:18 08-08-2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
If we discussed protocols the way we discuss venue sites, all would be
lost. "Oh, this feature works great for me, therefore let's include it
in the spec."
That's how protocols are discussed. :-)
Perhaps we might consider ending these in
Geoff,
What are you talking about? Of course we are "considering" all of
those places. We are going to London in 2014 for example, we went to
Paris this year. But, like with all popular places, finding venues
available for OUR dates is not easy. Add to that the costs and you
will understand w
On 8/8/2012 11:46 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
shockingly, amsterdam can't handle the ietf. wrong mix of resources.
really.
paris appears to have broad crime and work-ethic patterns that also are
p
On 8/8/2012 11:18 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
Perhaps we might consider ending these interminable venue discussions
and just complain three times a year when we visit a place that the IAOC
has selected?
now i'm completely confused.
i thought that that was/is exactly what's being done...
d
On 8/8/12 12:06 PM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> Mileage varies.
>
> For me it was the shortest and cheapest flight of any IETF meeting I have
> attended.
If we discussed protocols the way we discuss venue sites, all would be
lost. "Oh, this feature works great for me, therefore let's include it
in the sp
+1
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext
Yoav Nir
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:07 PM
To: Geoff Mulligan
Cc: Carsten Bormann; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was:Re: management granularity)
Mileage varies
Mileage varies.
For me it was the shortest and cheapest flight of any IETF meeting I have
attended.
Yoav
On Aug 8, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
> I liked the hotel and prague was wonderful, but it didn't seem easy to get to
> cheaply from the US.
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
> On Aug 6, 20
Le 2012-08-08 12:34, Geoff Mulligan a écrit :
I also would vote to return to Minneapolis again and again even permanently.
Does nobody care about going to new places so that new people are
exposed to the IETF and may start getting involved?
We've seen this positive effect many times when we
I liked the hotel and prague was wonderful, but it didn't seem easy to get to
cheaply from the US.
Geoff
On Aug 6, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:41, Mary Barnes wrote:
>
>> If we were to choose one place in the U.S. to meet, Minneapolis is the best
>> ch
The Orlando airport is a nightmare almost any time and will be even worse
during this upcoming IETF. When I had my FlyClear card it was the only airport
where I ever felt that it was necessary.
Avoiding Orlando during the many weeks a spring break would have been good.
Geoff
On Aug 6, 2012
Centre,
> Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK
> Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) [mailto:nurit.sprec...@nsn.com]
> Sent: 06 August 2012 15:07
> To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK); Daniele Ceccarelli
own
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
>
> I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
downtown. Same for
> Vienna.
>
> Steve
>
> On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Tim Chown wrote:
>
>If we restrict European cities to the ones with direct flight
>connections from other continents, we're really limiting the choices.
For some of us, if we limit our choices to places with direct flights,
that means Newark, Philadelphia, or Detroit. Count your blessings.
We can argue about whe
>> The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
>
>
>Yeah, it's exactly that easy to choose a venue. A single number does it.[1]
>
>not.
Of course. MAAWG has been there so we know it's not a dump, it's
downtown, they can deal with nerds with lots of computers who demand
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > Most require transiting some kind of major hub (London, Paris,
> > Frankfurt, Amsterdam to name a few).
>
> So, those hubs are reachable directly from the US and Asia, aren't they?
Yes, they are, and we have met in Paris twice and London once, will
m
On 8/7/2012 7:55 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
You said about Prague:
"...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?"
This gets cited often, and I don't really understand why. There are
VERY few European cities that are reachable directly f
You said about Prague:
"...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?"
This gets cited often, and I don't really understand why. There are
VERY few European cities that are reachable directly from the US (or
Asia for that matter). Most
On 8/7/12 6:24 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
I haven't seen anyone post negative comments about Prague in this
thread. By way of probing, I'll ask for them. For example, do folks
who live outside of that region not care about the additional hop of
travel to get to it?
It was over 24 hours of travel
On 8/7/2012 4:34 PM, Richard Shockey wrote:
+1 Prague was excellent .. I actually liked Quebec City but connections
were awful.
I haven't seen anyone post negative comments about Prague in this
thread. By way of probing, I'll ask for them. For example, do folks
who live outside of that r
On 8/7/2012 5:29 PM, John Levine wrote:
So I agree with that. If a feasible venue actually in Dublin
turns up I'll be sure to let Ray/IAOC/site-visit folks know.
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
Yeah, it's exactly that easy to choose a venue. A single
>So I agree with that. If a feasible venue actually in Dublin
>turns up I'll be sure to let Ray/IAOC/site-visit folks know.
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
MAAWG met there in 2007 and it worked well for us, although that was
a somewhat smaller meeting.
R's,
On 08/08/2012 12:30 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Tim Chown wrote:
>
>> On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker wrote:
>>
>>> I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
>>> downtown. Same for Vienna.
>>
>> Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue,
rsity" or getting the work done.
-Original Message-
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Steve Crocker
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:01 PM
To: Tim Chown
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
I
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Tim Chown wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker wrote:
>
> > I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
> > downtown. Same for Vienna.
>
> Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue, not a city.
> Dublin is a great city. An out of to
On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker wrote:
> I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been downtown.
> Same for Vienna.
Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue, not a city. Dublin is a
great city. An out of town golf resort is not a great venue.
Tim
> On Aug 7
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been downtown. Same
for Vienna.
Steve
On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Tim Chown wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great
> meeting venues, with everything you need nearby.
>
> My lea
Hi,
My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great
meeting venues, with everything you need nearby.
My least favoured venues have been Dublin, Vienna and Maastricht.
Of course, you have to experiment to find good repeat venues...
Tim
BTW, if anyone finds the venue question extremely compelling / interesting
-- consider seeking a spot on the IAOC during the next nominating period.
Yes, please do. Frankly, I'd prefer there be competition; it creates
healthy debate within nomcom and might even improve community awareness
BTW, if anyone finds the venue question extremely compelling / interesting
-- consider seeking a spot on the IAOC during the next nominating period.
- Jason
:28:33
To: ext Andrew Sullivan;
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Why the survey should limit it to the last five meetings...
In the long history we experienced additional good places
So maybe the survey should be more open and let each list his 3-5 favorable
I'd strongly prefer the IETF to focus on going to places where we get
work done and where costs can be controlled.
I'd prefer to avoid tourist destinations to some extent even if they are
not more expensive, but definitely if they are.
I want to present a professional image to my clients and I want
-
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext
Andrew Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:11 PM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Dear colleagues,
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:42:10AM -0400, Worley, Dale R
Dear colleagues,
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:42:10AM -0400, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote:
> I expect that a chunk of the variance hinges on the qualifier
While the vagaries of air transport costs fascinate me, I'm not sure
how the question of the cost of one route at one time for one person
is bro
> From: John Levine [jo...@taugh.com]
>
> >It would have cost me more than twice as much as it did to fly to
> >Beijing, for example, if I had taken a direct flight from DFW
>
> That's very odd. I see lots of fares from DFW to YVR from Saturday to
> Saturday via Houston or Denver for in upcoming
+1 to both of Carsten's suggestions.
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:41, Mary Barnes wrote:
>
>> If we were to choose one place in the U.S. to meet, Minneapolis is the best
>> choice IMHO.
>
> +1 a lot.
> (If we indeed have to choose the US.)
> Gre
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM, John R Levine wrote:
> The thing is that I don't need a flight to DFW to YVR for this coming week
>> and I don't see the prices you do either. I did not buy my tickets at the
>> last minute and believe it or not, I'm actually not lying about what I
>> paid
>> for
The thing is that I don't need a flight to DFW to YVR for this coming week
and I don't see the prices you do either. I did not buy my tickets at the
last minute and believe it or not, I'm actually not lying about what I paid
for my tickets to YVR nor to Beijing. I made a very simple statement o
The thing is that I don't need a flight to DFW to YVR for this coming week
and I don't see the prices you do either. I did not buy my tickets at the
last minute and believe it or not, I'm actually not lying about what I paid
for my tickets to YVR nor to Beijing. I made a very simple statement of
>Flights to Vancouver from some cities were extremely expensive. It would
>have cost me more than twice as much as it did to fly to Beijing, for
>example, if I had taken a direct flight from DFW - it would have been by
>far my most expensive IETF airfare ever.
That's very odd. I see lots of fare
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t; Sent: 06 August 2012 15:07
> To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK); Daniele Ceccarelli; Andrew Sullivan;
> ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was:Re: management granularity)
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On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:41, Mary Barnes wrote:
> If we were to choose one place in the U.S. to meet, Minneapolis is the best
> choice IMHO.
+1 a lot.
(If we indeed have to choose the US.)
Great facility to get work done, good food, reasonable flights.
And add Prague as the staple for Europe.
+1
On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Richard Shockey wrote:
> [RS> ] +1 and no employer ever argued that going to Minneapolis was a
> boondoggle. The Hilton in Minneapolis of all the IETF meetings I’ve
> attended has the most optimal layout of meeting rooms etc.
>
> If we were to choose one place
> I've never been to an IETF meeting where the plane fare has exceeded the
> hotel cost for a week.
note: I pay my own way, and make all my own arrangements.
The only meetings where my hotel costs exceeded my transporation costs
were the Montreal IETFs (I live in Ottawa). When I've flown I hav
87
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Sent: 06 August 2012 15:07
To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK); Daniele Ceccarelli; Andrew Sullivan;
ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was:Re: management granular
I made always good experiences with meeting venues in the downtown of hub
cities with good flight connections.
As a European for me the east coast of North America is better than the west
coast.
So far my experience was very good with following meeting locations and would
agree for a repetition
On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 01:44:32PM -0400, Scott Brim wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
> > and Vancouver have stood out. But still, the only really serious
> > consideration for me is whether or not the facilities make it easier
> > to get done the things that need to
From central Europe perspective - price for airline ticket to Vancouver in
summer is rocket expensive. I can fly to united states for half price.
So "cheap food" cant beat more than $1.000 extra fee paid to airline.
It does not mean YVR is a bad place, but I'd recommend to be carefull when
talk
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
> feel about various venues. But even if it did ... I go to IETF
> meetings to get work done, and it's been easier some places than others.
> Minneapolis has consistently had outstanding meeting facilities, and
> I thought the facilities in Va
This appears to be turning into a survey. My views are no doubt colored
by it being difficult, expensive, and slow to get anywhere (I live near
Fairbanks, AK) so travel doesn't figure very prominently into how I
feel about various venues. But even if it did ... I go to IETF
meetings to get work
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> week.
That topic imports a completely new one to this discussion: advance
scheduling of the meetings. If there is any principle for repeating a
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