RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-15 Thread William . Flanigan
ECTED] Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING At 01:38 PM 5/12/00 -0400, Jeremy wrote: >Can you plase pleaes stop this Virus Thread. This thread _is_ the virus...

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-14 Thread Henry Clark
At 01:38 PM 5/12/00 -0400, Jeremy wrote: >Can you plase pleaes stop this Virus Thread. This thread _is_ the virus...

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-13 Thread ned . freed
> On Fri, 12 May 2000 13:38:43 EDT, Jeremy said: > > Can you plase pleaes stop this Virus Thread. > Actually, there *ARE* important issues here. > Would the IESG support the creation of a WG to discuss these, with the > charter of producing a BCP documenting what *should* be done to minimize > t

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Christian Huitema
> All of that can be done in pure ASCII. ... that is, if you speak english. You can definitely write the way of Shakespeare, but you have a tiny problem writing the way of Molière, let alone Confucius. Then, there are things that are hard to do in writing, however able is your prose. Maps and p

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Dawson, Peter D
this is a good idea !! maybe the security wg could look into this. Jeff, Marcus , any comments ?? /pd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 2:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING On Fri, 12 May 2000 13:38:43

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 12 May 2000 13:38:43 EDT, Jeremy said: > Can you plase pleaes stop this Virus Thread. Actually, there *ARE* important issues here. Would the IESG support the creation of a WG to discuss these, with the charter of producing a BCP documenting what *should* be done to minimize these risks i

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread chris d koeberle
On Fri, 12 May 2000, Vernon Schryver wrote: > As as been pointed out repeatedly and as demonstrated with a concrete > example Saturday morning, attached HTML can be a significant security > problem. I doubt that (probably porn) HTML spam was much of a security > threat, but if you think about it

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Parkinson, Jonathan
ent: Friday, May 12, 2000 5:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING Castro, Edison M. (PCA) writes: > WE HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS Yeah, right ... when it comes to shouting, all this "blame the victim" has gone too far. I have users

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Jeremy
Can you plase pleaes stop this Virus Thread. -jeremy On Fri, 12 May 2000, Vernon Schryver wrote: > > From: chris d koeberle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > ... > > Indeed, I don't think any of the people who are complaining about the > > "HTML in e-mail" issues would complain about someone sending

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 12:04:08PM -0400, chris d koeberle wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Incidentally, this is exactly the same issue as "attach a file to an e-mail" > > versus "send the recipient a note, copy the file to a ftp/web server, wait > > for him to retrieve i

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: chris d koeberle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ... > Indeed, I don't think any of the people who are complaining about the > "HTML in e-mail" issues would complain about someone sending an e-mail > with an HTML file as an attachment. At least, not as I understand their > arguments against it. J

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Dick St.Peters
Castro, Edison M. (PCA) writes: > WE HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS Yeah, right ... when it comes to shouting, all this "blame the victim" has gone too far. I have users who are *illiterate*. They can click, but they can't read. They can click on little pictures an

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread chris d koeberle
On Fri, 12 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Incidentally, this is exactly the same issue as "attach a file to an e-mail" > versus "send the recipient a note, copy the file to a ftp/web server, wait > for him to retrieve it, and then remember to clean it up afterwards". Only if the e-mail clien

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 08:36:52PM +0200, Jacob Palme wrote: > At 10.11 -0600 0-05-11, Vernon Schryver wrote: > > Once you restrict > > HTML based email enough to be safe, why bother with anything more than > > text and perhaps simple pictures? > What is wrong with that. I use HTML-based e-mail m

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 12 May 2000 09:33:02 CDT, John Kristoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > John Stracke wrote: > > Well, there's basic formatting: > [...] > > And even simple links (never mind forms, applets, etc.) are great for, > > say, workflow applications. When I worked for Netscape, HR made great > > use

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread John Kristoff
John Stracke wrote: > Well, there's basic formatting: [...] > And even simple links (never mind forms, applets, etc.) are great for, > say, workflow applications. When I worked for Netscape, HR made great > use of HTML mail in the internal network. When I wanted to take some Email is not the we

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Doug Sauder
. (PCA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 08:45 > To: 'Doug Sauder'; Castro, Edison M. (PCA); [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING > > > Let's see if this reasoning holds water. Imagine your favorite OS, suppose > that I send you >

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-12 Thread Castro, Edison M. (PCA)
0 5:55 PM To: Castro, Edison M. (PCA); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING > -Original Message- > From: Castro, Edison M. (PCA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > That is exactly the same way that all Windows virus work. As a Windows > user (as well as other OSes), I

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 06:48:37PM -0600, Vernon Schryver wrote: [...] > All of that can be done in pure ASCII. > You don't have to be Shakespear to communicate with the written word > without more punctuation than existed in 1960. There was no global plague > in 1970 that damage all

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: John Stracke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > --95872F20B70C837D61220742 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Vernon Schryver wrote: > > > What good is HTML based email if it cannot run > > scripts or even contain links to other HTML content?

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Doug Sauder
> -Original Message- > From: Castro, Edison M. (PCA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > That is exactly the same way that all Windows virus work. As a Windows > user (as well as other OSes), I can say that people have to be > responsible > for their actions. Whenever you receive any Email

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Einar Stefferud
>From Steven M. Bellovin's message Thu, 11 May 2000 07:40:26 -0400: } }In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Einar Stefferud writes: } [snip]... } }>Seems to me that this beloved "feature" (giving root privs to random }>EMail messages) should (by now) now be fully discredited, and should }>be destined f

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Scot Mc Pherson
ursday, May 11, 2000 3:32 PM To: Scot Mc Pherson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING On Thu, 11 May 2000 15:04:48 EDT, Scot Mc Pherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > The necessity to send e-mail in html is NOT. Regardless of whether a list > or commerce wishes to adver

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread John Stracke
Vernon Schryver wrote: What good is HTML based email if it cannot run scripts or even contain links to other HTML content? Well, there's basic formatting: Simple font variations (italics, bold, color, font) are an easy way to add a bit of expressiveness to your text. Everybody says that the

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 08:36:52PM +0200, Jacob Palme wrote: > At 10.11 -0600 0-05-11, Vernon Schryver wrote: > > Once you restrict > > HTML based email enough to be safe, why bother with anything more than > > text and perhaps simple pictures? > What is wrong with that. I use HTML-based e-mail m

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 11 May 2000 15:04:48 EDT, Scot Mc Pherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > The necessity to send e-mail in html is NOT. Regardless of whether a list > or commerce wishes to advertise through e-mail, there are already avenues > for distributing material to demographically selected individ

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Scot Mc Pherson
al Message- From: Lillian Komlossy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 2:29 PM To: 'Scot Mc Pherson' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING Scot, ITA we do not need the HTML email for our everyday use. HTML based email is mainly used by the Email-

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Jacob Palme
At 10.11 -0600 0-05-11, Vernon Schryver wrote: > Once you restrict > HTML based email enough to be safe, why bother with anything more than > text and perhaps simple pictures? What is wrong with that. I use HTML-based e-mail mostly to inluce pictures in my messages. A very useful way of using HT

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Lillian Komlossy
11, 2000 1:59 PM To: 'Lillian Komlossy' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING Lillian, I am not so sure I totally agree. Why exactly do we need HTML based e-mail...Is it really necessary? E-mail is a service for transmitting a written message, and written messages cert

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 11 May 2000 13:59:19 EDT, Scot Mc Pherson said: > There is no practical need for html e-mail. It like saying I want to use a > tractor trailer to commute to work everyday, but it needs to consume only as > much gas as an eco car, and go as fast a Ferrari. If the computer industry ad

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Scot Mc Pherson
ast a Ferrari. Scot -Original Message- From: Lillian Komlossy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 11:13 AM To: 'Scot Mc Pherson' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING Scot, While what you say is true - meaning an all-text restriction o

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread John Stracke
Lillian Komlossy wrote: > We > have to find a way to > be able to use html based email but restrict it from - say running scripts, > executing anything, > writing cookies, issuing queries, etc... So turn off JavaScript for mail messages. -- /=

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Lillian Komlossy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > While what you say is true - meaning an all-text restriction on your email > browser will prevent > "dangerous goods" to be downloaded - it also takes away functionality. We > have to find a way to > be able to use html based email but restrict it fr

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Lillian Komlossy
imarketingnews.com (212) 925-7300 ext. 232 >>-Original Message- >>From: Scot Mc Pherson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 10:07 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Castro, Edison M. (PCA)' >>Cc: 'Steven M. Bellovin';

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Dennis Glatting
--Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 9:45 AM > To: Castro, Edison M. (PCA) > Cc: 'Steven M. Bellovin'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Brant Knudson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING > > On

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 11 06:36:01 2000 > From: Steven M. Bellovin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > ... > > Note the two crucial points -- it ran with the user's permissions, and > > it was explicitly run by the user, rather than by any automatic > > mechanism. > From: "Castro, Edison M

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Scot Mc Pherson
100% text Scot -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 9:45 AM To: Castro, Edison M. (PCA) Cc: 'Steven M. Bellovin'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Brant Knudson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING On Thu, 11 May 2000 08

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 11 May 2000 08:24:11 EDT, "Castro, Edison M. (PCA)" said: > That is exactly the same way that all Windows virus work. As a Windows > user (as well as other OSes), I can say that people have to be responsible > for their actions. Whenever you receive any Email attachment, the only way >

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Castro, Edison M. (PCA)
Message- From: Steven M. Bellovin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Brant Knudson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Einar Stefferud writes: > >The first of these "worm/virus/a

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Einar Stefferud writes: > >The first of these "worm/virus/addressbookmailers" was the IBM PROFS >"Chrismas Card" caper that occurred some time in the early 1990's, >long before MS willfully adopted the design. It was in December, 1987. > >Seems to me that this bel

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-10 Thread Einar Stefferud
The pattern is longer than you remember;-)... >From Brant's message Sat, 06 May 2000 00:38:29 +: } }I think I'm starting to see a pattern emerging in email viruses. } }Melissa: Uses script to read user's address book to get the email }addresses of new victims. }ILOVEYOU: Uses script to read

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-09 Thread chris d koeberle
On Sun, 7 May 2000, Keith Moore wrote: > > I don't see how, as long as the software manufacturers ship the software > > with legal disclaimers, e.g. "We are not responsible for damages ..." > > sooner or later that phrase will be recognized as less valuable > than bovine feces. (In the U.S.) It

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-09 Thread Salvador Vidal
Hello, At 17:28 04/05/00 -0400, Lillian Komlossy wrote: >Let's not make it political. We've all been attacked, it is >pointless.. The people who want to do citizens security a political issue probably are the same comunist reaccionary wich disagree with the future Army privatization, the ones wic

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-08 Thread Jacob Palme
At 11.07 -0800 0-05-07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, I was there, and I question the validity of your assessment of what was > going on. While it is true that there was a clear concensus opposed to adding > wiretapping facilities in the RAVEN sense, it was by no means 95-98 percent. Perhaps I

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-08 Thread Tim Salo
> From: "Michael B. Bellopede" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING > Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:27:14 -0400 > > It should be pretty obvious that the only reason that viruses are so > prolific on MS platforms, is that so many people are using them.

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-08 Thread Michael B. Bellopede
small circle of professionals and engineers. Michael B. Bellopede [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Randall Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 8:05 PM To: Michael H. Warfield Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Scot Mc Pherson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRUS

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Jacob Palme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:55:19 +0200 Jacob, Sorry for stepping slightly out of the topic you are discussing, > At 11.17 -0400 0-05-07, Keith Moore wrote: > > in my mind the people most responsible for the viruse

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-07 Thread Jim Stephenson-Dunn
TECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 4:18 PM To: 'A James Lewis'; 'Lillian Komlossy' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING Office for Unix, Now there's a terrifying thought (please don't contaminate the purity of my unix system with that filthy win

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-07 Thread Keith Moore
> > but sooner or later folks are going to be held liable for poor engineering > > or poor implementation of networking software, just like folks today can be > > held liable for poor engineering or implementation of bridges or buildings. > > I don't see how, as long as the software manufacturers

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-07 Thread Keith Moore
Jacob, Given a choice between reducing crime via more government surveillance and reducing crime via software that doesn't do stupid things, I'd far prefer the latter. I don't know of any good reason for a mail reader to make it so easy to execute code that can have harmful side effects, but h

Re: VIRUS WARNING & music at pittsburg?

2000-05-07 Thread Jon Crowcroft
1/ i think microsoft and the alleged hacker have provived an exxcellent lesson in active networks 2/ is anyone interested in jamming at the next IETF (folk, jazz, rock, thrash, triphop etc - you know, primal scream...) - i can bring a guitar (or bass or flute or something...) but local folks

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-07 Thread Keith Moore
> However, in the more general case, if one takes the position > that, if I build a dangerous-but-useful tool and someone misuses > it, I should be held responsible, we are going to end up with > rules against a lot of very useful stuff including, in extreme > cases, many open source environments.

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-07 Thread ned . freed
> > but sooner or later folks are going to be held liable for poor engineering > > or poor implementation of networking software, just like folks today can be > > held liable for poor engineering or implementation of bridges or buildings. > This discussion is highly relevant to the IETF list, if

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-07 Thread Tim Salo
> Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:55:19 +0200 > To: IETF general mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Jacob Palme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING > [...] > I have > set my MS Office programs to always ask me before running a > macro in an

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-07 Thread Greg Skinner
Keith Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but sooner or later folks are going to be held liable for poor engineering > or poor implementation of networking software, just like folks today can be > held liable for poor engineering or implementation of bridges or buildings. I don't see how, as long

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-07 Thread John C Klensin
--On Sunday, 07 May, 2000 11:17 -0400 Keith Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > in my mind the people most responsible for the viruses are > those who built systems that were so easily compromised. > > we don't need protocol support to track them down. Keith, This is a difficult issue and, IMO,

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-07 Thread Jacob Palme
At 11.17 -0400 0-05-07, Keith Moore wrote: > in my mind the people most responsible for the viruses are those who > built systems that were so easily compromised. > > we don't need protocol support to track them down. That is certainly one factor of importance. But even the best systems can be co

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-07 Thread Keith Moore
Jacob, in my mind the people most responsible for the viruses are those who built systems that were so easily compromised. we don't need protocol support to track them down. Keith

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-07 Thread Jacob Palme
At 20.39 -0400 0-05-04, Keith Moore wrote: > but sooner or later folks are going to be held liable for poor engineering > or poor implementation of networking software, just like folks today can be > held liable for poor engineering or implementation of bridges or buildings. This discussion is hi

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-05 Thread Ian King
; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING Michael: I could not agree more, we have a few (possibly .. 3) virus that have infect *nix systems. Even more telling, look at how linux systems have NOT been infected or bothered much. I find this interesting since the code - bugs, wart, and any

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-05 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brant Knudson writes: > >I think I'm starting to see a pattern emerging in email viruses. > >Melissa: Uses script to read user's address book to get the email >addresses of new victims. >ILOVEYOU: Uses script to read user's address book to get the email >addresses

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-05 Thread Brant Knudson
I think I'm starting to see a pattern emerging in email viruses. Melissa: Uses script to read user's address book to get the email addresses of new victims. ILOVEYOU: Uses script to read user's address book to get the email addresses of new victims. What method do you think the next email viru

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-05 Thread Randall Stewart
Michael: I could not agree more, we have a few (possibly .. 3) virus that have infect *nix systems. Even more telling, look at how linux systems have NOT been infected or bothered much. I find this interesting since the code - bugs, wart, and any holes are available to any who want to look at it.

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-05 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 11:13:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 04 May 2000 11:11:50 EDT, Scot Mc Pherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > In fact to back up your statement, there are exactly 3 virii that infect > > UNIX based systems. > Hmm.. the Morris worm of 1988. What are the oth

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread George Michaelson
Hmm.. the Morris worm of 1988. What are the other 2? Piers Dick Lauder and Bob Kummerfeld implemented Mail/sendfile *@* (yes, wildcards both sides of the user@host name form) in ACSnet prior to this. It was designed to be used amongst other things, to do s/w updates to all ACSnet subscri

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 04 May 2000 11:11:50 EDT, Scot Mc Pherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > In fact to back up your statement, there are exactly 3 virii that infect > UNIX based systems. Hmm.. the Morris worm of 1988. What are the other 2? Hmm.. if you count the 2 self-reproducing sample programs that came

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 04 May 2000 20:39:43 EDT, Keith Moore said: > but sooner or later folks are going to be held liable for poor engineering > or poor implementation of networking software, just like folks today can be > held liable for poor engineering or implementation of bridges or buildings. Not if th

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Keith Moore
> no class action perhaps that's not the appropriate mechanism, or perhaps that remedy isn't available to a large number of those affected. but sooner or later folks are going to be held liable for poor engineering or poor implementation of networking software, just like folks today can be held

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Jon Crowcroft
"noone ever got fired for buying ibm" this was ironic coz ibm was expensive, but worked someone should get fired for buying someone elses prodiucts irony no class action just reality checkpoint time... for a systemic view, some stuff is engineered better than other stuff - see mark handl

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Lillian Komlossy
y 04, 2000 4:18 PM To: 'A James Lewis'; 'Lillian Komlossy' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING Office for Unix, Now there's a terrifying thought (please don't contaminate the purity of my unix system with that filthy windows software) Jim Jim Du

Re: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING)

2000-05-04 Thread Keith Moore
> So if the users would save the virus to disk and then run it, > what's the savings? the virus doesn't propagate as quickly, nor to as many people, before it is detected and countermeasures are put in place. yes, this does make a significant difference. > You could have senders

Re: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING)

2000-05-04 Thread Austin Schutz
> > the builders of the titanic didn't know that certain kinds of steel > become brittle at cold temperatures. > > otoh, the developers of this user agent knew, or should have known, > the risks of executing code of unknown origin. they have been > understood for a long time. they were di

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Jim Stephenson-Dunn
: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:53 AM To: Lillian Komlossy Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING The whole world will use what they are presented with the difference between Win3.1 and Win95 is far greater than the difference between Win95 and GNOME or KDE... so actuall

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Keith Moore
> Clearly, you need report to re-education camps > to learn why it's important to let the government let companies have to > freedom to innovate wonderful things like vbscript. :-) not to mention gratuitous incompatibilites to Kerberos. Keith

RE: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING)

2000-05-04 Thread Parkinson, Jonathan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:46:33 -0400 > On Thu, 04 May 2000 09:27

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread A James Lewis
> http://www.dmnews.com > http://www.imarketingnews.com > (212) 925-7300 ext. 232 > > > -Original Message- > From: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 10:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING >

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread J. Noel Chiappa
> From: "Scot Mc Pherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Actually what happened, was I received this virus from a trusted friend > ... I am just glad that I didn't have any e-mail lists in my "address > book" That's actually an interesting bit of "social engineering" on the part of the vi

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Theodore Y. Ts'o
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:48:12 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The whole world does not run software which is a good culture medium for email viruses. I mostly use nice old UNIX software and it would take a number of extra steps on my part for some embded

Re: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING)

2000-05-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 04 May 2000 10:41:34 EDT, "Michael H. Warfield" said: > Your mailer may be able to display it as text (mine, Mutt, certainly > can) but it is definitely propagating as type application/octet-stream, not > text/plain. Wish we could lay that one on them, but we can't. Mea Culpa - see

Re: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING)

2000-05-04 Thread Keith Moore
> I don't know about deliberate inclusion of the security hole - it looks > more to me like "careless". Feels like it just "was not thought to be > a danger of any kind to security"... (Does the word TITANIC mean anything to > you?) the builders of the titanic didn't know that certain kinds of st

RE: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING)

2000-05-04 Thread Lillian Komlossy
Subject: Re: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING) > So if your e-mail software is opening it and feeding it to Visual Basic > just because it's tagged .vbs even though it's a text/plain, you're > violating the RFCs. well there's nothing ill

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Lipford, Mark
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING Donald, The whole world will not switch over to Unix - the average user will always be more confortable with Windows unless Unix will at

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Lillian Komlossy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The whole world will not switch over to Unix > - the average user will always be more confortable with Windows > unless Unix will at one point offer the same seamless user-friendliness. > So it will always be a problem, one which cannot be solved

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Scot Mc Pherson
ECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 10:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Brian Duddy (E-mail); Kevin Speilman (E-mail); Michael F. Young (E-mail); Perry Lewis (E-mail); Robert E Sollmann (E-mail); Roger Shepheard (E-mail) Subject: RE: VIRUS WARNING The file subject: ILOVEYOU Na

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Keith Moore
> Actually what happened, was I received this virus from a trusted friend but of course you didn't receive the virus from a trusted friend; you received it from an impostor. now you know not to trust names that appear in a message header. Keith

Re: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING)

2000-05-04 Thread Keith Moore
> So if your e-mail software is opening it and feeding it to Visual Basic > just because it's tagged .vbs even though it's a text/plain, you're > violating the RFCs. well there's nothing illegal about violating RFCs. but it sure seems like the deliberate inclusion of a security hole in email so

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Lillian Komlossy
ECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING The whole world does not run software which is a good culture medium for email viruses. I mostly use nice old UNIX software and it would take a number of extra steps on my part for some embdedded vir

Re: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING)

2000-05-04 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 10:46:33AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 04 May 2000 09:27:19 EDT, Scot Mc Pherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > The is an e-mail virus going around. The subject of the e-mail is > > ILOVEYOU...I suggest you delete it the moment you receive it. > Somebody didn

Re: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING)

2000-05-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:46:33 -0400 > On Thu, 04 May 2000 09:27:19 EDT, Scot Mc Pherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > The is an e-mail virus going around. The subject of the e-mail is &

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Scot Mc Pherson
al Message- From: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING The whole world does not run software which is a good culture medium for email viruses. I mostly use nice old UNIX software and it would take

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread A James Lewis
This is actually genuine for once... it's a vbscript.. On Thu, 4 May 2000, Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > The is an e-mail virus going around. The subject of the e-mail is > ILOVEYOU...I suggest you delete it the moment you receive it. > > -Scot Mc Pherson, N2UPA > -Sr. Network Analyst > -ClearAcc

THe Value Of Following Standards... (was Re: VIRUS WARNING)

2000-05-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 04 May 2000 09:27:19 EDT, Scot Mc Pherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > The is an e-mail virus going around. The subject of the e-mail is > ILOVEYOU...I suggest you delete it the moment you receive it. Somebody didn't read RFC2046, section 2, where it talks about text/plain being *TEXT*, a

Re: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Donald E. Eastlake 3rd
The whole world does not run software which is a good culture medium for email viruses. I mostly use nice old UNIX software and it would take a number of extra steps on my part for some embdedded virus to get a chance to run. If your software automatically executes stuff in attachments, you nee

RE: VIRUS WARNING

2000-05-04 Thread Scot Mc Pherson
The file subject: ILOVEYOU Name of attachment: LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT. At this time very little is known about the virus. If you have opened the file, please see your network administrator for help. The following link to Symantec has info on what the file does to