Ole == Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com writes:
Ole On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of
sticking to one European city, one north American city and one Asian
city and not picking various cities throughout the
offlist.
Geoff,
Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been there.
Other than those two tidbits about it, I've no idea what is to be
accomplished by someone's randomly throwing out the names of cities for
a discussion like this, especially when threads like these
On Aug 9, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
offlist.
Not so much
Geoff,
Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been there.
Two more tidbits:
- It's a huge aviation hub. There are direct flights from everywhere, similar
to CDG, Heathrow, or Schiphol
- Unlike
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of
sticking to one European city, one north American city and one Asian
city and not picking various cities throughout the world.
Oh, I see. My reading was that we would focus on small
Frankfurt has been considered. Turns out that it is one of the most
expensive cities in all of Europe to have a conference. It is also
geared mostly towards large tradeshows. The Frankfurt Messe is about
the size of your average Olympic Park, just walking from the nearest
hotel to your venue
Besides where to to repeat, some new places to go that are cheaper and
closer to me (and possible to others, and perhaps not so bad to many).
Sao Paolo, Mexico City, Miami, Madrid, Cancun, Santiago, Panama, San
Juan
Regards,
as
On 9 Aug 2012, at 12:22, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Hi,
For new how is Dubai or Barcelona?
Repeat: I would like Prague, Vancouver, Quebec!
Regards,
D
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Arturo Servin aser...@lacnic.net wrote:
Besides where to to repeat, some new places to go that are cheaper
and closer to me (and possible to others, and
Frankfurt?
On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Dave Crocker dcroc...@bbiw.net wrote:
On 8/8/2012 11:46 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
shockingly, amsterdam can't handle the ietf. wrong mix of
So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of sticking to one
European city, one north American city and one Asian city and not picking
various cities throughout the world.
I was just suggesting picking -a- city in Europe that was not multiple hops
from most US hubs. Prague,
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com wrote:
You said about Prague:
...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?
...@ietf.org] On Behalf
Of ext Geoff
Mulligan
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:47 PM
To: Ole Jacobsen
Cc: Richard Shockey; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette
Geoff Mulligan; Ole Jacobsen
Cc: ietf@ietf.org; dcroc...@bbiw.net; Richard Shockey
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
InterContinental, Radisson Blu
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management
granularity)
Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
InterContinental, Radisson Blu but also less expensive hotels,
close to each other.
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management
granularity)
Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
InterContinental, Radisson Blu but also less expensive hotels,
close to each other.
On 8/9/12 2:42 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
Let me say that a different way. We sometimes have to tolerate
countries, like the US, who a fussy about visas or immigration
procedures for people coming from specific other countries. I
wish we didn't. But, as soon as a country says if you have a
Yes, and sadly that rules out really good venues such as Kuala
Lumpur, quite possibly the least expensive (hotel wise) suitable
location in Asia.
The IAOC researched this recently, quite thoroughly; Ole and I are both
biased towards wanting it. (I lived there for a year.)
This is worth
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Yes, and sadly that rules out really good venues such as Kuala Lumpur,
quite possibly
the least expensive (hotel wise) suitable location in Asia.
Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor Publisher
http://cisco.com/ipj
Sent from my iPhone
We HAVE a requirements document.
Ole
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
Agreed.
Dare I say that we need a requirements document? ;-)
Peter
Peter Saint-Andre
https://stpeter.im/
This is worth mentioning because the MY formal rule is not strict
prohibition but a formal visa process that is so onerous as to equate to
a prohibition.
Wouldn't that rule out the United States? It is my impression that
getting a US visa for someone with a Cuban or Iranian passport is
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
downtown. Same for
Vienna.
Steve
On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Tim Chown wrote:
Hi,
My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and
Vancouver
On 8/8/2012 11:46 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
shockingly, amsterdam can't handle the ietf. wrong mix of resources.
really.
paris appears to have broad crime and work-ethic patterns that also are
Geoff,
What are you talking about? Of course we are considering all of
those places. We are going to London in 2014 for example, we went to
Paris this year. But, like with all popular places, finding venues
available for OUR dates is not easy. Add to that the costs and you
will understand
From: John Levine [jo...@taugh.com]
It would have cost me more than twice as much as it did to fly to
Beijing, for example, if I had taken a direct flight from DFW
That's very odd. I see lots of fares from DFW to YVR from Saturday to
Saturday via Houston or Denver for in upcoming weeks
Dear colleagues,
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:42:10AM -0400, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote:
I expect that a chunk of the variance hinges on the qualifier
While the vagaries of air transport costs fascinate me, I'm not sure
how the question of the cost of one route at one time for one person
is
-
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext
Andrew Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:11 PM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Dear colleagues,
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:42:10AM -0400, Worley, Dale R
Ok, I know I said that I'd shut up, but this is a clarifying question,
so I'll answer.
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 05:28:33PM +0200, Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod
HaSharon) wrote:
Why the survey should limit it to the last five meetings...
That's what the oblique reference to
17:28:33
To: ext Andrew Sullivana...@anvilwalrusden.com; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Why the survey should limit it to the last five meetings...
In the long history we experienced additional good places
So maybe the survey should be more
BTW, if anyone finds the venue question extremely compelling / interesting
-- consider seeking a spot on the IAOC during the next nominating period.
- Jason
BTW, if anyone finds the venue question extremely compelling / interesting
-- consider seeking a spot on the IAOC during the next nominating period.
Yes, please do. Frankly, I'd prefer there be competition; it creates
healthy debate within nomcom and might even improve community awareness
Hi,
My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great
meeting venues, with everything you need nearby.
My least favoured venues have been Dublin, Vienna and Maastricht.
Of course, you have to experiment to find good repeat venues...
Tim
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been downtown. Same
for Vienna.
Steve
On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Tim Chown wrote:
Hi,
My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great
meeting venues, with everything you need nearby.
My least
On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been downtown.
Same for Vienna.
Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue, not a city. Dublin is a
great city. An out of town golf resort is not a great venue.
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Tim Chown wrote:
On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
downtown. Same for Vienna.
Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue, not a city.
Dublin is a great city. An
or getting the work done.
-Original Message-
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Steve Crocker
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:01 PM
To: Tim Chown
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
I'll bet Dublin
On 08/08/2012 12:30 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Tim Chown wrote:
On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
downtown. Same for Vienna.
Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a
So I agree with that. If a feasible venue actually in Dublin
turns up I'll be sure to let Ray/IAOC/site-visit folks know.
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
MAAWG met there in 2007 and it worked well for us, although that was
a somewhat smaller meeting.
R's,
On 8/7/2012 5:29 PM, John Levine wrote:
So I agree with that. If a feasible venue actually in Dublin
turns up I'll be sure to let Ray/IAOC/site-visit folks know.
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
Yeah, it's exactly that easy to choose a venue. A single
On 8/7/2012 4:34 PM, Richard Shockey wrote:
+1 Prague was excellent .. I actually liked Quebec City but connections
were awful.
I haven't seen anyone post negative comments about Prague in this
thread. By way of probing, I'll ask for them. For example, do folks
who live outside of that
You said about Prague:
...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?
This gets cited often, and I don't really understand why. There are
VERY few European cities that are reachable directly from the US (or
Asia for that matter). Most
On 8/7/2012 7:55 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
You said about Prague:
...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?
This gets cited often, and I don't really understand why. There are
VERY few European cities that are reachable directly
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Dave Crocker wrote:
Most require transiting some kind of major hub (London, Paris,
Frankfurt, Amsterdam to name a few).
So, those hubs are reachable directly from the US and Asia, aren't they?
Yes, they are, and we have met in Paris twice and London once, will
meet
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
Yeah, it's exactly that easy to choose a venue. A single number does it.[1]
not.
Of course. MAAWG has been there so we know it's not a dump, it's
downtown, they can deal with nerds with lots of computers who demand
coffee
If we restrict European cities to the ones with direct flight
connections from other continents, we're really limiting the choices.
For some of us, if we limit our choices to places with direct flights,
that means Newark, Philadelphia, or Detroit. Count your blessings.
We can argue about
Flights to Vancouver from some cities were extremely expensive. It would
have cost me more than twice as much as it did to fly to Beijing, for
example, if I had taken a direct flight from DFW - it would have been by
far my most expensive IETF airfare ever.
That's very odd. I see lots of fares
The thing is that I don't need a flight to DFW to YVR for this coming week
and I don't see the prices you do either. I did not buy my tickets at the
last minute and believe it or not, I'm actually not lying about what I paid
for my tickets to YVR nor to Beijing. I made a very simple statement
The thing is that I don't need a flight to DFW to YVR for this coming week
and I don't see the prices you do either. I did not buy my tickets at the
last minute and believe it or not, I'm actually not lying about what I paid
for my tickets to YVR nor to Beijing. I made a very simple statement
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM, John R Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote:
The thing is that I don't need a flight to DFW to YVR for this coming week
and I don't see the prices you do either. I did not buy my tickets at the
last minute and believe it or not, I'm actually not lying about what I
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