Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Ron Korving
Well, if you want my 2 cents as well, the 2 cents a PHP user is very willing to share with you guys... PHP6 is a major release. BC is a priority, but as far as I'm concerned not the top priority. I wouldn't mind a unicode-only PHP at all. Like a few others here, I think the speed penalty won't be

[PHP-DEV] milestone

2005-10-13 Thread Lukas Smith
Hi, some of you may be aware of the wiki I set up to manage/document the todo lists and parts of the release management for PHP releases. In response to this Wez created a set of patches to enable developers to set milestones (aka PHP versions) for bug reports. While I do not think this repla

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Jevon Wright
Ditto please! Jevon - Original Message - From: "Ron Korving" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: [php] Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation > Well, if you want my 2 cents as well, the 2 cents a PHP user is very willing > to share with you guys...

Re: [PHP-DEV] milestone

2005-10-13 Thread Jani Taskinen
Unnecessary, you can tell the user within the closing comment in which branches you fixed the bug. Don't forget that it can CHANGE later, someone reverts the fix or the fix wasn't needed or.. you get the picture. --Jani On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Lukas Smith wrote: Hi, some of

Re: [PHP-DEV] milestone

2005-10-13 Thread Lukas Smith
Jani Taskinen wrote: Unnecessary, you can tell the user within the closing comment in which branches you fixed the bug. Don't forget that it can CHANGE later, someone reverts the fix or the fix wasn't needed or.. you get the picture. Does it hurt though? It makes it alot easie

Re: [PHP-DEV] milestone

2005-10-13 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Lukas Smith wrote: Jani Taskinen wrote: Unnecessary, you can tell the user within the closing comment in which branches you fixed the bug. Don't forget that it can CHANGE later, someone reverts the fix or the fix wasn't needed or.. you get the picture. D

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Oliver Grätz
And remember: PHP6 will not be released for at least a year. So by then typical servers will run at several hundred MHz more, so perhaps the speed penalty won't be noticed at all. This is even more true compared to the current speed of PHP as there will (If I recall this correctly) be significant p

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
Oliver Grätz wrote: > And remember: PHP6 will not be released for at least a year. So by then > typical servers will run at several hundred MHz more, so perhaps the > speed penalty won't be noticed at all. And people will do more with PHP ultimately making the MHz boost irrelevant. Despite tremend

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Pierre
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:43:03 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oliver Grätz) wrote: > And remember: PHP6 will not be released for at least a year. So by > then typical servers will run at several hundred MHz more, so perhaps > the speed penalty won't be noticed at all. This argument is irrelevant. You on

[PHP-DEV] Globals unavailable, require oddity

2005-10-13 Thread Marcus Bointon
I posted this on general a while ago and the only conclusion anyone could come to is that there's a PHP bug somewhere. I'm running a snap of 5.1 from today on OS X 10.4.2, and I've seen the same symptoms on RedHat EL4. Before I report something does anyone here have any idea what could be a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Globals unavailable, require oddity

2005-10-13 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 13.10.2005 20:51, Marcus Bointon wrote: in a.inc.php: in b.class.php: Works fine here. Fatal error: Class 'Config' not found Use absolute path everywhere ? I can't reproduce it either. -- Wbr, Antony Dovgal -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscrib

[PHP-DEV] Installing PEAR in 5.1.0RC2-dev

2005-10-13 Thread Antony Dovgal
Hello all. This is what I got trying to install latest snapshot of 5.1.0-dev with Apache2 on Linux: -- Notice: Error: zlib extension is not enabled - gzinflate() function needed for compressed .phars in /root/php5-200510131630/pear/install-pear.phar on line 393 Warning: main(p

[PHP-DEV] CVS Account Request: rikardoms

2005-10-13 Thread RICARDO MIRANDA SANTOS
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Globals unavailable, require oddity

2005-10-13 Thread Marcus Bointon
On 13 Oct 2005, at 17:51, Marcus Bointon wrote: I have another problem with included classes that seems to defy explanation: As usual there is a simple explanation for this one: I had a file called 'config.php' lurking in one of the folders in my include path - Deploying on Linux, I'd jus

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Oliver Grätz
Ilia Alshanetsky schrieb: >>And remember: PHP6 will not be released for at least a year. So by then >>typical servers will run at several hundred MHz more, so perhaps the >>speed penalty won't be noticed at all. > And people will do more with PHP ultimately making the MHz boost > irrelevant. Despi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Oliver Grätz
Pierre schrieb: > This argument is irrelevant. You only hide the possible lack of > scalability behind hardware improvements. A "lack of scalability" will only occur if the Unicode features create a more than linear performance drop which I suppose won't happen. Even if it becomes three times slo

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
Oliver Grätz wrote: > http://www.ister.org/code/article/de/php45bench.xhtml > > indicate that PHP5 is slower than PHP4, but in the note at the end there > is some evidence that PHP5.1 will be significantly faster than PHP4 when > it comes to objects and classes (which is what people who "do more w

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Oliver Grätz wrote: And people will do more with PHP ultimately making the MHz boost irrelevant. Despite tremendous increases in hardware performance, the software we run seems to run slower and slower. Which doesn't stop them from moving from PHP to Ruby (which I suppose

Re: [PHP-DEV] Installing PEAR in 5.1.0RC2-dev

2005-10-13 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Antony Dovgal wrote: -- Notice: Error: zlib extension is not enabled - gzinflate() function needed for compressed .phars in /root/php5-200510131630/pear/install-pear.phar on line 393 Warning: main(phar://install-pear.phar/index.php): failed to open stream

Re: [PHP-DEV] Installing PEAR in 5.1.0RC2-dev

2005-10-13 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 13.10.2005 23:38, Jani Taskinen wrote: Add --disable-pear to the configure line and the errors go away. Cool. We need to document it then =) -- Wbr, Antony Dovgal -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Installing PEAR in 5.1.0RC2-dev

2005-10-13 Thread Antony Dovgal
After the recent discussion in #php.pecl: Is there any chance to use system's gunzip to unpack the phar as a fallback solution ? Or even better - to download and install not compressed version of the phar ? Or at least use --without-pear when there is no --with-zlib or it's --with-zlib=shared ?

Re: [PHP-DEV] Installing PEAR in 5.1.0RC2-dev

2005-10-13 Thread Derick Rethans
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Antony Dovgal wrote: > After the recent discussion in #php.pecl: > > Is there any chance to use system's gunzip to unpack the phar as a fallback > solution ? > Or even better - to download and install not compressed version of the phar ? > Or at least use --without-pear when

Re: [PHP-DEV] Installing PEAR in 5.1.0RC2-dev

2005-10-13 Thread Pierre
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:22:36 +0200 (CEST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derick Rethans) wrote: > On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Antony Dovgal wrote: > > > After the recent discussion in #php.pecl: > > > > Is there any chance to use system's gunzip to unpack the phar as a > > fallback solution ? > > Or even better -

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Oliver Grätz
Jani Taskinen schrieb: > > [...] instead of waiting what we'll > break next. *ROTFL* You seem to develop a healthy fatalism ;-) Bier? -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Installing PEAR in 5.1.0RC2-dev

2005-10-13 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 14.10.2005 01:30, Pierre wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:22:36 +0200 (CEST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derick Rethans) wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Antony Dovgal wrote: > After the recent discussion in #php.pecl: > > Is there any chance to use system's gunzip to unpack the phar as a > fallback solut

Re: [PHP-DEV] Installing PEAR in 5.1.0RC2-dev

2005-10-13 Thread Pierre
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:39:08 +0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Antony Dovgal) wrote: > Also, what if someone uses --without-zlib? The installer would fail > again? Yes, so the solution is to go with uncompressed phar in php releases. It gets compressed anyway. --Pierre -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime D

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Pierre
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:02:09 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oliver Grätz) wrote: > Pierre schrieb: > > > This argument is irrelevant. You only hide the possible lack of > > scalability behind hardware improvements. > > A "lack of scalability" will only occur if the Unicode features > create a more tha

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode Implementation

2005-10-13 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Oliver Grätz wrote: Jani Taskinen schrieb: [...] instead of waiting what we'll break next. *ROTFL* You seem to develop a healthy fatalism ;-) I'm just realistic. I _KNOW_ we're gonna break stuff. Intentionally, "accidently" and accidently. --Jan

Re: [PHP-DEV] Installing PEAR in 5.1.0RC2-dev

2005-10-13 Thread Greg Beaver
Jani Taskinen wrote: > On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Antony Dovgal wrote: > >> -- >> Notice: Error: zlib extension is not enabled - gzinflate() function >> needed for compressed .phars in >> /root/php5-200510131630/pear/install-pear.phar on line 393 >> >> Warning: main(phar://install-pear.p

[PHP-DEV] Re: Globals unavailable, require oddity

2005-10-13 Thread Oliver Grätz
Marcus Bointon schrieb: > I posted this on general a while ago and the only conclusion anyone > could come to is that there's a PHP bug somewhere. Hm? I tested you code on a Debian 5.1 RC1 system and could not reproduce the problem. I thought you failed to post the whole code you used since you

[PHP-DEV] Re: Globals unavailable, require oddity

2005-10-13 Thread Unknown W. Brackets
If you include a file within a function, that file will be loaded in that function's scope. Example: The same happens if b.class.php is included within a function (or class member, etc.) and includes a.inc.php, as in your example (I am presuming.) If this is the problem, I suggest simply a