Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Yasuo Ohgaki yohg...@ohgaki.net wrote: Hi, It would be better to vote - PHP will have script only (tag less) code or not then - How it will be implemented Regards, That idea was raised a few times in the past, but Stas and others expressed, they

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Arvids Godjuks
What happened with the proposal/RFC for expanding include/require with additional optional second param to allow for developers to define in place if he want's a pure PHP file to be included or a template file with direct HTML output? I like that proposal and take it over any other, because it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Kris Craig
Arvids, On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Arvids Godjuks arvids.godj...@gmail.comwrote: What happened with the proposal/RFC for expanding include/require with additional optional second param to allow for developers to define in place if he want's a pure PHP file to be included or a template

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Arvids Godjuks arvids.godj...@gmail.comwrote: What happened with the proposal/RFC for expanding include/require with additional optional second param to allow for developers to define in place if he want's a pure PHP file to be included or a template file with

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Arvids Godjuks
16 апреля 2012 г. 11:24 пользователь Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.comнаписал: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Arvids Godjuks arvids.godj...@gmail.comwrote: What happened with the proposal/RFC for expanding include/require with additional optional second param to allow for developers to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Tom, On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I don't think a consensus on the following points is likely to emerge without voting on them individually. I propose carrying out a vote with up to three questions to be answered depending on your response to each.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Tom Boutell
We could vote on whether we like the idea in principle, with the condition that the final proposal pass separately as a fully detailed rfc. That way you are telling the authors of these rfcs whether to keep trying and in what direction, but you are not forced to accept the end product. I would

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Arvids Godjuks
16 апреля 2012 г. 11:05 пользователь Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.comнаписал: Arvids, On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Arvids Godjuks arvids.godj...@gmail.com wrote: What happened with the proposal/RFC for expanding include/require with additional optional second param to allow for

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Tom Boutell
For some this is sufficient, for others (like myself) getting rid of the initial ?php for pure files is a primary motivation. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Arvids Godjuks arvids.godj...@gmail.com wrote: 16 апреля 2012 г. 11:05 пользователь Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.comнаписал: Arvids,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Rick WIdmer
On 4/16/2012 3:31 AM, Arvids Godjuks wrote: That's sad really, to be honest. I wonder if people even use this: echo include 'foo.bar', 'baz'; Probably not, Try it! you get: 1baz It actually works more like echo (include foo.bar), 'baz'; than echo include( foo.bar), 'baz';

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Kris Craig
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Rick WIdmer vch...@developersdesk.comwrote: On 4/16/2012 3:31 AM, Arvids Godjuks wrote: That's sad really, to be honest. I wonder if people even use this: echo include 'foo.bar', 'baz'; Probably not, Try it! you get: 1baz It actually works more

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Rick WIdmer
On 4/16/2012 1:02 PM, Kris Craig wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Rick WIdmervch...@developersdesk.comwrote: More important include doesn't currently allow multiple parms: include foo.bar, 'baz'; Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ',' in bla.php on line xx Regarding

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Nikita Popov
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Rick WIdmer vch...@developersdesk.com wrote: On 4/16/2012 1:02 PM, Kris Craig wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Rick WIdmervch...@developersdesk.comwrote: More important include doesn't currently allow multiple parms:   include foo.bar, 'baz';

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Kris Craig
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Nikita Popov nikita@googlemail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Rick WIdmer vch...@developersdesk.com wrote: On 4/16/2012 1:02 PM, Kris Craig wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Rick WIdmervch...@developersdesk.comwrote: More

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Tom Boutell
I think the 'as' solution is smart. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Nikita Popov nikita@googlemail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Rick WIdmer vch...@developersdesk.com wrote: On 4/16/2012 1:02 PM,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Tom Boutell
This has been added in version 1.1.1 of the source_files_without_opening_tag RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/source_files_without_opening_tag On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I think the 'as' solution is smart. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Kris Craig

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Kris Craig
Hey guys, can we move the RFC updates back to the threads for each RFC? Subsequent discussion should go there as well. --Kris On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: This has been added in version 1.1.1 of the source_files_without_opening_tag RFC:

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Arpad Ray
Please excuse me for butting in without immediate context. I'd just like to support the idea of a vote on this concept without getting into specifics. If the vote is positive then we can argue the various merits of the competing RFCs knowing that we at least agree in general. On the other hand if

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Tom Boutell
Such a vote would make sense if it were clearly expressed that the final RFC would also be subject to a binding vote, so there is no risk of being forced to accept an implementation whose particular details are unacceptable to you. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Arpad Ray array...@gmail.com

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Kris Craig
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: Such a vote would make sense if it were clearly expressed that the final RFC would also be subject to a binding vote, so there is no risk of being forced to accept an implementation whose particular details are unacceptable

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Arvids Godjuks
16 апреля 2012 г. 22:02 пользователь Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.comнаписал: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Rick WIdmer vch...@developersdesk.com wrote: On 4/16/2012 3:31 AM, Arvids Godjuks wrote: That's sad really, to be honest. I wonder if people even use this: echo include

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Kris Craig
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Arvids Godjuks arvids.godj...@gmail.comwrote: 16 апреля 2012 г. 22:02 пользователь Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.comнаписал: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Rick WIdmer vch...@developersdesk.com wrote: On 4/16/2012 3:31 AM, Arvids Godjuks wrote: That's

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-16 Thread Tom Boutell
What happens if two of them pass? On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Arvids Godjuks arvids.godj...@gmail.com wrote: 16 апреля 2012 г. 22:02 пользователь Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.comнаписал: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Rick WIdmer vch...@developersdesk.com wrote: On 4/16/2012 3:31

[PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-15 Thread Kris Craig
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: hi! Without willing to end discussions prematurely, it looks to me that everything possible have been said about the various opening tags proposals. Actually, we finally appear to be making some headway. I appreciate

[PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-15 Thread Pierre Joye
hi, On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote:  Perhaps a new list for RFC-specific discussions?  =) We don't need yet a new list. Sit down together and get over your differences and create the RFC or more if you can't get over your differences. Cheers, -- Pierre

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-15 Thread Tom Boutell
I don't think a consensus on the following points is likely to emerge without voting on them individually. I propose carrying out a vote with up to three questions to be answered depending on your response to each. We could then proceed to discuss the (relatively boring but essential) details of

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-15 Thread Kris Craig
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I don't think a consensus on the following points is likely to emerge without voting on them individually. I propose carrying out a vote with up to three questions to be answered depending on your response to each. We could

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-15 Thread Kris Craig
err it might be 1 week, not 2. Either way, it's definitely too soon for mine to be voted on. --Kris On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I don't think a consensus on the following

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-15 Thread Kris Craig
Bah sorry everyone, I just woke up and I'm still a little groggy lol. It is in fact 2 weeks. --Kris On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: err it might be 1 week, not 2. Either way, it's definitely too soon for mine to be voted on. --Kris On Sun, Apr

[PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-15 Thread Yasuo Ohgaki
Hi, It would be better to vote - PHP will have script only (tag less) code or not then - How it will be implemented Regards, -- Yasuo Ohgaki yohg...@ohgaki.net -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

[PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

2012-04-15 Thread Kris Craig
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Yasuo Ohgaki yohg...@ohgaki.net wrote: Hi, It would be better to vote - PHP will have script only (tag less) code or not then - How it will be implemented Regards, -- Yasuo Ohgaki yohg...@ohgaki.net Awhile back, I raised the possibility of