Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Hi! > You make a very sane argument and I agree on the selective process, > however, every time I read internals it seems that the general attitude is: > > "please don't add more to it" This is obviously not true as each new release adds many things and you can see results of the votes and read

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

On 11/01/2013 09:14, dukeofgaming wrote: Finally, I remember the lack of support for development has been a problem... so why not call out for support to the community?, from GSoC to PHP gurus litterate on Comp Sci and software engineering and architecture? I think this has been done before a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

2013/1/11 dukeofgaming > I have a question, maybe it is dumb: why not those opposed to using > annotations just... refrain from using them? > As I said in a previous message: « (...) providing annotations as it is proposed will make them a core feature of the language. It will be perceived like

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Ralf Lang wrote: > Am 11.01.2013 05:55, schrieb dukeofgaming: > > I have a question, maybe it is dumb: why not those opposed to using > > annotations just... refrain from using them? > > > > Although I am not the least against annotations, there are valid and > go

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:00 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > I have a question, maybe it is dumb: why not those opposed to using > > annotations just... refrain from using them? > > We've been there before. You seem to be thinking as a person who only > writes software for himself and has to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Am 11.01.2013 05:55, schrieb dukeofgaming: > I have a question, maybe it is dumb: why not those opposed to using > annotations just... refrain from using them? > Although I am not the least against annotations, there are valid and good technical reasons why one does not want to have a feature in

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Hi! > I have a question, maybe it is dumb: why not those opposed to using > annotations just... refrain from using them? We've been there before. You seem to be thinking as a person who only writes software for himself and has to deal with software only written by you. However, not everybody has

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

I have a question, maybe it is dumb: why not those opposed to using annotations just... refrain from using them? Annotations are currently used by the industry through workarounds to the PHP language, so any argument on it's usefulness is completely moot. Adding native support for this (no one say

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Agree, I thought about Those who don't want to annotations at all. So we can add 2 extra options for those who don't want annotations at all and those who wish better proposal :) PS : I'm with those who do wish annotations. ב-11 בינו 2013, בשעה 01:07, Ralf Lang כתב/ה: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > > Just a thought - if the main argument is about syntax - we can > propose few versions (Without implementing them) and then vote for > 1) No annotations (attributes) at all. 2) Syntax #1 3) Syntax #2 > and so on. > > What do you think? > I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Anthony Ferrara wrote: > Stas, > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Stas Malyshev >wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > Sure. Here you go. Here are two examples: > > > > > > http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0020/ > > > > This is a nice text, but practical meaning of it

[PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Stas, On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > Sure. Here you go. Here are two examples: > > > > http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0020/ > > This is a nice text, but practical meaning of it is kind of unclear. > Even then, applying it to what we have now with annotation

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

>> what is not*. You are not a BDFL. And we don't have a unified vision > > Neither are you. Yet I am not telling people to shut up, and you are. > Curious. I reiterate that there are other people besides Anthony who are annoyed by your behavior, Stas. You've voiced your opinion, are you done now?

[PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Hi! > Sure. Here you go. Here are two examples: > > http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0020/ This is a nice text, but practical meaning of it is kind of unclear. Even then, applying it to what we have now with annotations, I can see they violate at least #1, #2, #3, #5 and #7 :) And possibly #17

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

This could be very well be off-topic but I think it is something that someone has to say it at some point. Don't worry, there's a vision in there, near the end of this, please just have the patience of reading this as a part rant, part wish :) You all speak about new things, better userland co

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Rasmus, > Rasmus: "A general purpose scripting language with a focus on web > > development" > > You: "being simple and practical and focused on the web" > > > > While they both have "web" in them, they provide very different goals and > > metrics with which to gauge contributions by. And that's t

[PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Stas, If you mean that there would be some "vision" document that prevents > disagreement and decides arguments once and for all, are you sure it is > what you want? It is clear we disagree on many things. Suppose I wrote a > document that describes how I see PHP should be, and it will be accepted

[PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Hi! > You just proved my point with your reply. PHP doesn't have a vision. The > two people in this thread who have provided what they thought were > visions don't agree. And that's a problem. If you mean that there would be some "vision" document that prevents disagreement and decides arguments

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Anthony Ferrara wrote: > > > Am I guilty of being abusive? Absolutely. But I hope the abusiveness that I > portray at least tries to be constructive (if it's not always, I'm sorry). > >From the Merriam-Webster dictionary: a·bu·sive /əˈbyo͞osiv/ (1) characterized

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Stas, perhaps you haven't noticed, but you are regularly derailing discussions. I know that there are at least a few other people reading the mailing list who tire of your behavior. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

On 01/09/2013 11:48 AM, Anthony Ferrara wrote: > Rasmus: "A general purpose scripting language with a focus on web > development" > You: "being simple and practical and focused on the web" > > While they both have "web" in them, they provide very different goals and > metrics with which to gauge c

[PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Stas, It is a recurring theme because it's true. You are right that every > language needs a vision, and PHP's vision is being simple and practical > and focused on the web. PHP is what people use to get their first site > off the ground. PHP is what a web designer learns when he/she wants to > g

[PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision

Hi! > Stas, > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Stas Malyshev > wrote: > > I seriously hope it never comes to this in PHP > > > Would you shut up with this rhetoric already? All it does is show that I admire your politeness and ability to discuss thing wit