Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-10 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Marcus that's nothing more than our manual besides a different layout. I'd like to document how studd is being integrated, how stuff works together and how inheritance trees look like. You saw the gtk tree, wow, cool if there is only one real tree like inheritance graph. But unfortunatley

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-10 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Steph, Saturday, June 10, 2006, 12:58:30 PM, you wrote: Hi Marcus that's nothing more than our manual besides a different layout. I'd like to document how studd is being integrated, how stuff works together and how inheritance trees look like. You saw the gtk tree, wow, cool if

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Andi Gutmans wrote: Any chance we can get the SPL docs integrated into the PHP manual? I get questions about it here and there and think that as it's in the default PHP distro it makes sense to have that as part of the official PHP manual. There is no way we can do

RE: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Soenke Ruempler
Derick Rethans mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Friday, June 09, 2006 8:25 AM: On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Andi Gutmans wrote: Any chance we can get the SPL docs integrated into the PHP manual? I get questions about it here and there and think that as it's in the default PHP distro it makes sense

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Andi, the problem is the non existing OO support in docbook. I had the idea of eventually using doxygen's xml output and putting that somehow in the manual. But that's is probably something for livedocs. So lets have livedocs first. Apart from that nobody hinders the doc team from copying

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Nuno Lopes
Yep, it not clear how to document such OO beast in docbook. Also we have few active persons working in the documentation, that aren't enough to catch up all the new features, BC breaks, etc.. We probably would need someone to exclusively work on SPL, which we can't afford ATM. Nuno -

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Andi Gutmans
Maybe we can get a volunteer to improve the docbook? At 11:25 PM 6/8/2006, Derick Rethans wrote: On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Andi Gutmans wrote: Any chance we can get the SPL docs integrated into the PHP manual? I get questions about it here and there and think that as it's in the default PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Andi Gutmans
This is a docbook limitation? Couldn't we still find some standard way to write it? most of it is manual stuff ala http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.html? No? Andi At 12:24 AM 6/9/2006, Marcus Boerger wrote: Hello Andi, the problem is the non existing OO support in docbook. I had

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On 6/9/06, Andi Gutmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we can get a volunteer to improve the docbook? We have, http://code.google.com/soc/php/appinfo.html?csaid=1D6D429391DFBA6F -Hannes At 11:25 PM 6/8/2006, Derick Rethans wrote: On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Andi Gutmans wrote: Any chance we can

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Andrei Zmievski
PHP-GTK has been using modified docbook for its stuff... http://gtk.php.net/manual/en/classtree.php -Andrei On Jun 9, 2006, at 6:55 AM, Andi Gutmans wrote: Maybe we can get a volunteer to improve the docbook? At 11:25 PM 6/8/2006, Derick Rethans wrote: On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Andi Gutmans

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Nuno Lopes
The problem is always maintenance.. I've have some knowledge about DSSSL but none about XSL. In phpdoc we use both, that need to be kept in sync, so that's always complicated to make changes. The best option would be to create a work-group to study with docbook creators the best approaches to

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Andi Gutmans
I think that doesn't look too bad. It might not be the Doxygen output, etc.. but for the PHP manual I think it's quite adequate. At 09:43 AM 6/9/2006, Andrei Zmievski wrote: PHP-GTK has been using modified docbook for its stuff... http://gtk.php.net/manual/en/classtree.php -Andrei On Jun 9,

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Steph Fox
@lists.php.net Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs The problem is always maintenance.. I've have some knowledge about DSSSL but none about XSL. In phpdoc we use both, that need to be kept in sync, so that's always complicated to make changes. The best option would

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Andi Gutmans
] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED]; internals@lists.php.net Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs The problem is always maintenance.. I've have some knowledge about DSSSL but none about XSL. In phpdoc we use both, that need to be kept in sync

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Andi Gutmans
Yeah API docs is useful, but still we should have the end-user docs in the PHP manual. I don't think once comes instead of the other. The end-user docs is especially useful as people in the community can give comments, etc... At 02:52 PM 6/9/2006, Lukas Smith wrote: Andi Gutmans wrote: Hey,

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Lukas Smith
Andi Gutmans wrote: Yeah API docs is useful, but still we should have the end-user docs in the PHP manual. I don't think once comes instead of the other. The end-user docs is especially useful as people in the community can give comments, etc... Err, you misunderstood what I was trying to

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Andi, that's nothing more than our manual besides a different layout. I'd like to document how studd is being integrated, how stuff works together and how inheritance trees look like. You saw the gtk tree, wow, cool if there is only one real tree like inheritance graph. But unfortunatley

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
I find the Doxygen-generated SPL docs maze-like and pretty much impossible to navigate. There is nothing stopping you from maintaining that separate document, but I'd love to see the useful bits integrated into the PHP docs. Losing the inheritance graphs doesn't bother me a bit. -Rasmus

Re: [PHP-DEV] SPL docs

2006-06-09 Thread Robert Amos
I agree with Rasmus here, there should be at least some level of the docs in the PHP manual. Its always been considered the one stop shop for reference for all the beginning coders that I've seen, and is one of the draws for the language. Having a seperate set of docs for the more advanced