Re: [IPsec] [ipsecme] #213: In use case 2.1, direct endpoint-to-endpoint connectivity may not be possible

2012-03-26 Thread Michael Richardson
Yoav == Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com writes: Yoav direct endpoint-to-endpoint connectivity may not be possible Yoav if both endpoints are NATed Yoav Why? There are several protocols (SIP/RTP come to mind) that Yoav manage endpoint-to-endpoint connectivity even when both are

Re: [IPsec] [ipsecme] #213: In use case 2.1, direct endpoint-to-endpoint connectivity may not be possible

2012-03-22 Thread Yoav Nir
Sure. A VPN host (whether client or gateway) that is behind NAT is generally unreachable from a random host. To allow random hosts to get there, the VPN host needs to punch a hole in the NAT by sending a binding request to a STUN server. The IP routable IP address and port that it uses should

Re: [IPsec] [ipsecme] #213: In use case 2.1, direct endpoint-to-endpoint connectivity may not be possible

2012-03-22 Thread yogendra pal
Thanks Yoav for elaborating it. I was just thinking around this 3rd party broker to setup host-2-host tunnel. This broker can part of any private cloud or mixed cloud in Cloud network (Can be added to solution). Stephen, To make p2p vpn scaleable, I think we should have simple solution with

Re: [IPsec] [ipsecme] #213: In use case 2.1, direct endpoint-to-endpoint connectivity may not be possible

2012-03-22 Thread Melinda Shore
On 3/21/12 11:30 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: So if one or both of the VPN peers are behind NAT, we need some 3rd-party or parties to broken the NAT traversal. We need: - a STUN (or STUN-like) server for punching the hole - storage for the discovered address and port In SIP these functions are done by

Re: [IPsec] [ipsecme] #213: In use case 2.1, direct endpoint-to-endpoint connectivity may not be possible

2012-03-21 Thread Yoav Nir
direct endpoint-to-endpoint connectivity may not be possible if both endpoints are NATed Why? There are several protocols (SIP/RTP come to mind) that manage endpoint-to-endpoint connectivity even when both are behind NAT. Why shouldn't IPsec endpoints do this? If this requires some new NAT

Re: [IPsec] [ipsecme] #213: In use case 2.1, direct endpoint-to-endpoint connectivity may not be possible

2012-03-21 Thread yogendra pal
I agree to what Yoav stated, that signalling part (SIP) and media part (RTP) both SHOULD work even if there is NAT in the configuration today. However, I could not get why we need to have new NAT traversal mechanism using hub gateway, can you elaborate on this... Thanks and Regards, Yogendra Pal

[IPsec] [ipsecme] #213: In use case 2.1, direct endpoint-to-endpoint connectivity may not be possible

2012-03-20 Thread Stephen Hanna
Another issue. Please comment on Suggested Resolution. Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: ipsecme issue tracker [mailto:t...@tools.ietf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:58 PM To: yaronf.i...@gmail.com; draft-ietf-ipsecme-p2p-vpn-prob...@tools.ietf.org Subject: [ipsecme] #213: