Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I agree with Bob about the current draft; I still believe it will be much better to discuss the DNS issues in depth in a separate (dnsops) document. My piece of text was intended in that context. Brian Bob Hinden wrote: Hi, OK. Lot of shouting since this was sent but not much new text. How

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Stephen Sprunk wrote: ... also imo - this whole idea is a clear and present danger to the Internet (assuming that IPv6 gets general deployment) I disagree. The risk of these non-aggregatable prefixes appearing in the default-free BGP4 table in exchange for lots of money is the same as the risk of

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Bill Manning wrote: On Dec 7, 2004, at 7:44, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Bill Manning wrote: On Dec 6, 2004, at 10:31, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Dan Lanciani wrote: Mark Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |+Advertising locally assigned ULA records in the global DNS is |+MUST NOT occur as

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread bmanning
Bill, you could do that if the prefixes are *routed* but that is not going to be the case if the ULA spec is followed, except for private routing arrangements. Since the spec says they MUST NOT be globally routed, it seems entirely rational to apply the same rule to your zone files. But as I

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, you could do that if the prefixes are *routed* but that is not going to be the case if the ULA spec is followed, except for private routing arrangements. Since the spec says they MUST NOT be globally routed, it seems entirely rational to apply the same rule to your

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:33:28AM +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, you could do that if the prefixes are *routed* but that is not going to be the case if the ULA spec is followed, except for private routing arrangements. Since the spec says they MUST NOT be

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Brian Haberman
On Dec 7, 2004, at 18:46, Alain Durand wrote: On Dec 7, 2004, at 1:23 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: While I am sure everyone in this discussion has read the DNS text in the current draft, here it is just in case: 4.4 DNS Issues At the present time and PTR records for locally assigned local

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:27:50AM -0500, Brian Haberman wrote: I agree that it is a problem, but not one specific to ULAs. Indeed, it's the dont-publish-unreachables's draft space... but that one never reached consensus or thus publication. Tim

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Brian Haberman
On Dec 7, 2004, at 17:25, Mark Andrews wrote: Hi, OK. Lot of shouting since this was sent but not much new text. How about Locally assigned ULA records MUST NOT appear in the global DNS, since there is an extremely small probability that the corresponding addresses are not

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Mark Andrews
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Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Mark, Thats why I said the DNS section was a cop out. The DNS information hadn't been collected, distilled and put on paper. I attempted to do that. * Don't publish ambigious addresses global. * It is unwise (but not wrong) to publish unreachable

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Erik Nordmark
Brian Haberman wrote: I don't see this as being specific to ULAs. As the above referenced draft points out, this can happen with a mix of IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. We have RFC 3484 which rationalizes the choice between IPv4 and IPv6 and as long as those are all global addresses the intent is that

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Mark Andrews
Hi Mark, Thats why I said the DNS section was a cop out. The DNS information hadn't been collected, distilled and put on paper. I attempted to do that. * Don't publish ambigious addresses global. * It is unwise (but not wrong) to publish unreachable

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-08.txt

2004-12-08 Thread Alain Durand
On Dec 8, 2004, at 6:27 AM, Brian Haberman wrote: This is unfortunately not the only concern. Actually, i would even say this is a somehow minor issue, as the risk of collision is small. The real concern is similar to what is explain in the v6ops IPv6onbydefault draft. Say that a well know host