Re: [dhcwg] RE: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread Ralph Droms
Following up on Bernie's comments about DHCPv6 for non-address configuration information, take a look at RFC 3736, "stateless DHCP Service for IPv6" (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3736.txt) for a summary of the minimal implementation and deployment needed for DHCPv6 as a complement t

Re: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 13-aug-2007, at 19:25, Bernie Volz ((volz)) wrote: DHCPv6 messages are generally small and don't require a lot of back and further. I really don't understand why people are objecting to one or two request/reply exchanges (only the request of which is multicast). Sure, it be nice if there we

Re: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 13-aug-2007, at 17:38, James Carlson wrote: For better or for worse, the notion of a subnet mask going along with an interface address is deeply ingrained in the way IP is implemented. Separating the two for no apparent reason is a bad idea. There's a problem with that idea. There's no gu

RE: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
I guess we can agree to disagree. I think fundamentally keeping the two things completely different will be a far better way for people to think about this. There are implementations that have assumed a /64 for DHCP assigned (or manually configured) addresses when no prefix information was availab

RE: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
DHCP server address would be useless because clients don't generally unicast to the server/relay (and aren't allowed to unless the server has sent a server-unicast option). And, if the server isn't on-link, unless the client has an address of sufficient scope, it couldn't communicate with the serve

Re: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Leino, Tammy wrote: Iljitsch, thank you for your comprehensive remarks. I think my mistake was in believing an IPv6 router does not have to be configured to send RAs, but the DHCPv6 server could serve the same purpose as the RAs. It appears DHCPv6 was meant to supplement RAs. As an embedded de

RE: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread Wes Beebee \(wbeebee\)
As Bernie said, having two ways of doing the same thing, for example having both the RA and DHCPv6 determine the default gateway or on-link information, leads to both confusion and conflicts. Which one do you believe? If you're talking about security, both RA's and DHCPv6 can be spoofed - so a

Re: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread James Carlson
Iljitsch van Beijnum writes: > On 11-aug-2007, at 1:39, Bernie Volz ((volz)) wrote: > > The configuration of addresses for an interface MUST NOT be tied to > > the > > configuration of prefix information for routing. > > I disagree. For better or for worse, the notion of a subnet mask > going

RE: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread Leino, Tammy
I agree with all your remarks Iljitsch, and I believe my customers feel the same way as you. -Original Message- From: Iljitsch van Beijnum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:56 AM To: Bernie Volz ((volz)) Cc: Leino, Tammy; ipv6@ietf.org; John Jason Brzozowski (JJMB

RE: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread Leino, Tammy
Iljitsch, thank you for your comprehensive remarks. I think my mistake was in believing an IPv6 router does not have to be configured to send RAs, but the DHCPv6 server could serve the same purpose as the RAs. It appears DHCPv6 was meant to supplement RAs. As an embedded developer, there is a lo

Re: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11-aug-2007, at 1:09, Leino, Tammy wrote: The reason I am not assuming there is a router on link configured to send RAs with prefix options is because I don't see the point of DHCPv6 configuring addresses if a router is configured to do the same job. :-) Since the prefix length is carr

Re: prefix length determination for DHCPv6

2007-08-13 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11-aug-2007, at 1:39, Bernie Volz ((volz)) wrote: Interface addresses are completely SEPARATE from routing information. Please do NOT confuse the two. This has been a source of confusion for many IPv6 implementors who know IPv4. The configuration of addresses for an interface MUST NOT be ti