Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt

2010-08-20 Thread Wojciech Dec
Hi Suresh, Good to hear that you will be clarifying the draft. I take it that showing the full intended RS/RA message exchange will be part of that clarification. Thanks, Woj. On 20 August 2010 01:06, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.comwrote: Hi Brian, Thanks for the comments. I

Re: Router redirects in Node Requirements document

2010-08-20 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: Agreed, redirects should *not* be enabled by default. +1. I would much rather have the router forward the packet back the way it came as opposed to sending redirects. I believe this is the default when disabling redirects on most vendors, I'd

Re: Router redirects in Node Requirements document

2010-08-20 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Christian Huitema huit...@microsoft.com wrote: yes. this seems like a case of something that looked like a great idea 12+ years ago (rfc2461  was published in 1998, LOTS of things have changed since that time) but is upon reflection maybe not a great idea.

Comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility) - draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05

2010-08-20 Thread Sri Gundavelli
Couple of comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility): draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05 1.) When Mobile IPv6 was designed, one important feature that made into the protocol is the support for Route Optimization. The ability for a mobile node to provide the information on the direct (non-anchor or

RFC 5952 on A Recommendation for IPv6 Address Text Representation

2010-08-20 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5952 Title: A Recommendation for IPv6 Address Text Representation Author: S. Kawamura, M. Kawashima Status: Standards Track Stream:

Re: Comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility) - draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05

2010-08-20 Thread Ed Jankiewicz
Sri - I agree with all of your comments including the statement that RO is a key feature of MIPv6. I would add a caveat that there is not much incentive for a large scale server to implement RO, as it benefits the mobile node user rather than the application or the hosting service. It seems

Re: Comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility) - draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05

2010-08-20 Thread Basavaraj.Patil
On 8/20/10 1:47 PM, Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com wrote: Sri Gundavelli sgund...@cisco.com writes: Couple of comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility): draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05 1.) When Mobile IPv6 was designed, one important feature that made into the protocol is the support for

RE: Comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility) -draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05

2010-08-20 Thread Templin, Fred L
Did someone say Route Optimization? Here is a new routing, addressing and mobility architecture that addresses it: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-templin-iron-10 This is the Internet Routing Overlay Network (IRON). Route Optimization is only one feature among many that makes IRON a

Re: Comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility) -draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05

2010-08-20 Thread Basavaraj.Patil
Fred, We are discussing IPv6 node-requirements and considering specifications that are standards-track RFCs. There is no point in throwing out specs that are individual I-Ds at this time (at least in the context of this discussion). -Raj On 8/20/10 2:23 PM, ext Templin, Fred L

RE: Comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility) -draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05

2010-08-20 Thread Templin, Fred L
Raj, IRON represents a new mobility architecture that has not been discussed here before, and it is different from MIP in many ways. IRON is currently in WGLC in the Routing Research Group, where it was developed with guidance from wg participants. Fred fred.l.temp...@boeing.com -Original

Re: changes to the network management section in node requirements

2010-08-20 Thread Thomas Narten
Hi Juergen. Thanks for bringing up this topic! OLD Network Management MAY be supported by IPv6 nodes. However, for IPv6 nodes that are embedded devices, network management may be the only possible way of controlling these nodes. NEW IPv6 nodes may support network management

Re: Comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility) - draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05

2010-08-20 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
Hi Thomas, Sri Gundavelli sgund...@cisco.com writes: Couple of comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility): draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05 1.) When Mobile IPv6 was designed, one important feature that made into the protocol is the support for Route Optimization. The ability

Re: changes to the network management section in node requirements

2010-08-20 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 09:59:12PM +0200, Thomas Narten wrote: Thanks for bringing up this topic! OLD Network Management MAY be supported by IPv6 nodes. However, for IPv6 nodes that are embedded devices, network management may be the only possible way of controlling these

Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt

2010-08-20 Thread Thomas Narten
I think there is some misunderstanding going on here and I believe it may have to do with the lack of detail (and maybe some typos) in the draft. It appears that sections 5 6 could be made more clear with a few additions. Thank you. You said what I was going to say. :-) First, it would be

Re: Comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility) - draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05

2010-08-20 Thread Sri Gundavelli
Hi Thomas/Ed: (I was not really expecting Thomas to respond to this thread, I want support from folks :), now they are gone). 1. We don't have any experience with MIPv6 RO, I agree. But, if we don't enable this function in every IPv6 node, we will never ever have the opportunity to turn this

Re: Comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility) - draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05

2010-08-20 Thread Thomas Narten
Sri Gundavelli sgund...@cisco.com writes: Hi Thomas/Ed: (I was not really expecting Thomas to respond to this thread, I want support from folks :), now they are gone). 1. We don't have any experience with MIPv6 RO, I agree. But, if we don't enable this function in every IPv6 node, we

RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt

2010-08-20 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
Suresh, -Original Message- From: Suresh Krishnan [mailto:suresh.krish...@ericsson.com] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:17 PM To: Hemant Singh (shemant) Cc: Wes Beebee (wbeebee); Brian Haberman; IPv6 WG Mailing List Subject: Re: Consensus call on

Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt

2010-08-20 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Woj, On 10-08-20 03:34 AM, Wojciech Dec wrote: Hi Suresh, Good to hear that you will be clarifying the draft. I take it that showing the full intended RS/RA message exchange will be part of that clarification. Absolutely. Cheers Suresh

Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt

2010-08-20 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Thomas, Thanks for the comments. I acknowledge the lack of detail in the draft and this is due to the fact that I assumed referencing the relevant BBF document (TR-101) was sufficient. I will clarify these details in the next revision. Thanks Suresh On 10-08-20 04:56 PM, Thomas Narten

Re: Comments on Section 9.0 (Mobility) - draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-05

2010-08-20 Thread Randy Bush
1. We don't have any experience with MIPv6 RO, I agree. But, if we don't enable this function in every IPv6 node, we will never ever have the opportunity to turn this feature on. for all values of X. when we don't even have basics working and deployed and actually used. full employment