Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Fernando Gont
On 08/09/2013 07:39 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: >>> Check here please: >>> >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/138/ >>> >>> b) _X__ Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to All >>> Implementers >> >> This is a non-starter for many free-software projects. > > As I explained before

Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Andrew Yourtchenko
Hosjieh, Of three problems that the draft aims to solve, 1st (EUI64 addresses) does not really seem to be much of a problem as everyone does privacy addresses today (you saw stats yourself at ipv6-hackers meeting), the second (not changing the address) is an implementation choice, so the third

Re: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses: Document title

2013-08-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 10/08/2013 11:01, Dave Thaler wrote: > I will observe that Alissa's term "random per-network" isn't in any of the > possibilities > below and the reasons given wouldn't apply if that term were used. Perhaps > that > could be used in a title? Nah. Too complex for a title, and "random" is a ba

RE: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses: Document title

2013-08-09 Thread Dave Thaler
I will observe that Alissa's term "random per-network" isn't in any of the possibilities below and the reasons given wouldn't apply if that term were used. Perhaps that could be used in a title? -Dave > -Original Message- > From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On B

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
> > Check here please: > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/138/ > > > > b) _X__ Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to All > > Implementers > > This is a non-starter for many free-software projects. As I explained before my algorithm is not CGA anyway. But, what I know a

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Hi Andrew, Thanks for your comments. >Of three problems that the draft aims to solve, 1st (EUI64 addresses) does not >really seem to be much of a problem as everyone does privacy addresses today >(you saw stats yourself at >ipv6-hackers meeting), the second (not changing >the address) is an imp

Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Fernando Gont
On 08/09/2013 06:57 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: >> I won't fight this one with you, Hosnieh. You have received my input. >> It's up to you what you do with it. >> > Check here please: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/138/ > > b) _X__ Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to Al

draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses: Document title

2013-08-09 Thread Fernando Gont
Folks, I has been suggested to me that we might want to change the title of this document, and the chairs have suggested that I comment on this one on-list. The arguemtn, as far as I can tell, is that the current title might be confusing (mostly because of the confusion there is with different te

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
> > I believe your underestimating IPRs, and also think that introduing an IPR to > RFC4941 (as this document is indirectly doing) is an extremely bad idea. There is no IPR for my algorithm. You can name it Pseudo CGA or xxx. I only used a hash function, i.e., SHA256 that anyone can use a hash f

Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Fernando Gont
On 08/09/2013 06:25 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: >> Besides, there are IPRs on the CGA algorithm... but RFC4941 itself doesn't > have >> any. SO this document would essentially IPR-encumber >> RFC4941 -- the farther that you can get from that, the better, I'd say. > :-) > > CGA has IPR but it does no

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Hi there, > Just focus on the problem you're trying to solve, and provide references where > necessary. > Ok :-) > > > IMO, reason "1" is void: If an implementer is going through the effort of > implementing this document, he/she'd rather implement a god PRNG. > > Regarding "2", do you realy

Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Fernando Gont
On 08/09/2013 05:34 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: > >> * In Section 1, you should probably remove some of the general discussion > on >> security and privacy here. For instance, some of your definitions seem >> incomplete. > > Ok, I think I just did not want to jump to the topic and have a kind of >

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Fernando, Thanks for your comments. > * In Section 1, you should probably remove some of the general discussion on > security and privacy here. For instance, some of your definitions seem > incomplete. Ok, I think I just did not want to jump to the topic and have a kind of introduction. Maybe I

RE: UDP+Fragmentation (was: "Deprecate")

2013-08-09 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Ron, Glad to hear you have had a look at SEAL, and see below for a few follow-up comments: > -Original Message- > From: Ronald Bonica [mailto:rbon...@juniper.net] > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 4:32 AM > To: Templin, Fred L; C. M. Heard; IPv6 > Subject: RE: UDP+Fragmentation (was: "De

RE: UDP+Fragmentation (was: "Deprecate")

2013-08-09 Thread Ronald Bonica
Fred, Quite to the contrary, I have spent a good deal of time reviewing the SEAL draft. (Although I am now one version behind. The document is now in version 61.) SEAL attempts to solve many problems. These include: - source address authentication - detection of packet duplication and reorderi