Re: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread Thomas Narten
Sorry, I still don't get it. We need more detail! Two things stand out: If two devices happen to have the same Ethernet MAC address as a consequence of incompetent manufacture, the link-local address derived for that interface will also be non-unique, provided it is derived from the EUI-64

Re: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Thomas Narten wrote: this 4% figure seems *very* high. Can you please provide more details on how you reached that number? I have personal experience with managing ADSL provider. We noticed approx 5% of all MAC addresses were identical, I've personally seen D-link

RE: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Manfredi, Albert E wrote: Doesn't the home modem, or residential gateway, have hard-coded in it the unique IPv6 prefix for each home? If yes, then why would a home PC host not always have a unique IPv6 address, even if the MAC address might be duplicated in some other home

RE: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread Manfredi, Albert E
-Original Message- From: Mikael Abrahamsson [mailto:swm...@swm.pp.se] Here is the crux of my not understanding the problem: And no, I haven't seen any residential rollout plan where IPv6 would be provisioned in the static way you describe, DHCPv6-PD seems to be the most

RE: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Manfredi, Albert E wrote: Does not the ISP control, own, and distribute the residential gateway? Not in my market anyway (some have this service of course, but it's definitely not mandatory). Why would ISP not own and control the residential gateway? Because it's

RE: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
to clone the MAC address in the first place! - Wes -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mikael Abrahamsson Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:40 PM To: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: Liaison from BBF On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Manfredi, Albert E

Re: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread Phil Bedard
Answers inline On Nov 9, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Manfredi, Albert E wrote: -Original Message- From: Mikael Abrahamsson [mailto:swm...@swm.pp.se] Here is the crux of my not understanding the problem: And no, I haven't seen any residential rollout plan where IPv6 would be provisioned in

RE: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread Manfredi, Albert E
said but I didn't get it.) Bert -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Wes Beebee (wbeebee) Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:50 PM To: Mikael Abrahamsson; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: Liaison from BBF One common way of setting up

RE: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread David Allan I
@ietf.org Subject: RE: Liaison from BBF -Original Message- From: Mikael Abrahamsson [mailto:swm...@swm.pp.se] Here is the crux of my not understanding the problem: And no, I haven't seen any residential rollout plan where IPv6 would be provisioned in the static way you describe, DHCPv6-PD

RE: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread David Allan I
Narten [mailto:nar...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:00 AM To: David Allan I Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Liaison from BBF Sorry, I still don't get it. We need more detail! Two things stand out: If two devices happen to have the same Ethernet MAC address as a consequence

RE: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
-Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Allan I Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:00 AM To: Manfredi, Albert E; Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: Liaison from BBF HI There are a couple of scenarios to consider.. 1

RE: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread David Allan I
FYI D -Original Message- From: Hemant Singh (shemant) [mailto:shem...@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:03 AM To: David Allan I; Manfredi, Albert E; Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; IPv6 Operations Subject: RE: Liaison from BBF -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun

RE: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
it. Thanks, Hemant -Original Message- From: David Allan I [mailto:david.i.al...@ericsson.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:14 AM To: Hemant Singh (shemant); Manfredi, Albert E; Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; IPv6 Operations Subject: RE: Liaison from BBF Hi Hemant: w.r.t. bridged

RE: Liaison from BBF

2009-11-09 Thread Wojciech Dec (wdec)
of solution (c), if any? Regards, Woj. -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Allan I Sent: 10 November 2009 00:31 To: Thomas Narten Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: Liaison from BBF HI Thomas: Unfortunately having just

RE: Liaison from BBF avec PDF

2009-11-08 Thread David Allan I
For those Microsoft challenged... my apologies in advance D Attached are a series of charts that outlines a problem the Broadband Forum is wrestling with in the IPv6 space, the charts are in effect a companion to a liaison sent to INTAREA. I understand agendas are full so there will not be

RE: Liaison from BBF avec PDF

2009-11-08 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
good place to find me. Thanks, Hemant From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Allan I Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:27 PM To: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: Liaison from BBF avec PDF For those Microsoft challenged... my apologies in advance D

RE: Liaison from BBF avec PDF

2009-11-08 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
security issues that should be taken in a DSL Forum security document. Hemant From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Allan I Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:27 PM To: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: Liaison from BBF avec PDF For those Microsoft challenged