Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-14 Thread Rémi Després
2012-12-13 21:05, RJ Atkinson rja.li...@gmail.com : On 13 Dec 2012, at 10:46 , Rémi Després wrote: Reverse mapping, whose use I still don't see, cannot work the privacy option of RFC 4941 It still works fine, because the scope bit is set to local scope for the RFC-4941 uses

Re: u/g in general [was Mail from softwire working group about 4rd]

2012-12-13 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 12/12/2012 21:32, Ole Trøan wrote: I think the only way to make progress on this question is to discuss two points in a much more general way: 1. Does the current mapping of the u bit in the modified EUI format have any value? 2. Does the current mapping of the g bit in the modified EUI

Re: u/g in general [was Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-13 Thread Rémi Després
2012-12-12 18:26, Ran Atkinson ran.atkin...@gmail.com : On 12 Dec 2012, at 12:21 , Rémi Després wrote: Do you know any deployment with u=g=1 in this context ? There is limited use today of IPv6 addresses that have apparent unicast routing prefixes, but contain multicast group IDs in

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-13 Thread Rémi Després
2012-12-12 18:38, RJ Atkinson rja.li...@gmail.com : On 12 Dec 2012, at 12:14 , Rémi Després wrote: In any case, IIDs for multicast addresses are out of scope for the IPv6 addressing architecture of RFC 4291. Disagree. It is clear that RFC-4291 has reserved the use of G==U==1 for

Re: u/g in general [was Mail from softwire working group about 4rd]

2012-12-13 Thread RJ Atkinson
Aside: I'm departing on travel today, and will be offline for several days. I apologise in advance for the brevity of this note, but I lack time to write a longer note. Earlier Brian Carpenter wrote: I believe it's true that the u bit has no value for ILNP. At one point there

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-13 Thread RJ Atkinson
On 13 Dec 2012, at 10:46 , Rémi Després wrote: Reverse mapping, whose use I still don't see, cannot work the privacy option of RFC 4941 It still works fine, because the scope bit is set to local scope for the RFC-4941 uses (RFC-4941, Section 3.2.1, Step 3). Under IEEE 802 rules, as best I

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread Jouni Korhonen
Hi, On Dec 8, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.com wrote: Hi all, The 4rd draft (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-4rd-04) describes a solution for providing IPv4 connectivity over IPv6. The draft describes the method for mapping 4rd IPv4 addresses

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread Rémi Després
Hi, Bob, Please see inline further explanations, and answers to your questions. 2012-12-12 01:18, Bob Hinden bob.hin...@gmail.com: Rémi, Like Brian, I am also trying to understand this. My initial personal conclusion to answer Suresh's question, I don't think this is compatible

u/g in general [was Mail from softwire working group about 4rd]

2012-12-12 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I think the only way to make progress on this question is to discuss two points in a much more general way: 1. Does the current mapping of the u bit in the modified EUI format have any value? 2. Does the current mapping of the g bit in the modified EUI format have any value? If the answer to

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread Rémi Després
Hi, Jouni, 2012-12-12 10:04, Jouni Korhonen jouni.nos...@gmail.com : Hi, On Dec 8, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.com wrote: Hi all, The 4rd draft (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-4rd-04) describes a solution for providing IPv4

Re: u/g in general [was Mail from softwire working group about 4rd]

2012-12-12 Thread Rémi Després
2012-12-12 12:45, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com : I think the only way to make progress on this question is to discuss two points in a much more general way: 1. Does the current mapping of the u bit in the modified EUI format have any value? 2. Does the current mapping

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread RJ Atkinson
All, I fully agree with Brian Carpenter's note of Tuesday, December 11th at 10:55:05 +. I support his perspective as expressed in that note. I have read, but am NOT persuaded by, the responses from Remi Despres to Brian's notes. Further, I note that the combination ( U==1 a G==1) already

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread Jouni Korhonen
Remi, On Dec 12, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Rémi Després despres.r...@laposte.net wrote: Hi, Jouni, 2012-12-12 10:04, Jouni Korhonen jouni.nos...@gmail.com : Hi, On Dec 8, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.com wrote: Hi all, The 4rd draft

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread Rémi Després
Le 2012-12-12 à 17:12, Jouni Korhonen jouni.nos...@gmail.com a écrit : Remi, On Dec 12, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Rémi Després despres.r...@laposte.net wrote: Hi, Jouni, 2012-12-12 10:04, Jouni Korhonen jouni.nos...@gmail.com : Hi, On Dec 8, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Suresh Krishnan

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread Roger Jørgensen
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.com wrote: Hi all, The 4rd draft (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-4rd-04) describes a solution for providing IPv4 connectivity over IPv6. The draft describes the method for mapping 4rd IPv4 addresses to

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread Rémi Després
Le 2012-12-12 à 17:18, Roger Jørgensen rog...@gmail.com a écrit : On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.com wrote: Hi all, The 4rd draft (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-4rd-04) describes a solution for providing IPv4 connectivity over

Re: u/g in general [was Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread Ran Atkinson
On Weds 12th December, Remi Despres wrote, in part: Not sure however that the two proposed questions are clear enough because today: - some IIDs have u = 0, and some have u = 1, - some IIDs have g = 0, and some have g = 1. The only combination that isn't used is u=g=1. While U==G==1 is

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread Rémi Després
2012-12-12 17:06, RJ Atkinson rja.li...@gmail.com : All, I fully agree with Brian Carpenter's note of Tuesday, December 11th at 10:55:05 +. I support his perspective as expressed in that note. I have read, but am NOT persuaded by, the responses from Remi Despres to Brian's notes.

Re: u/g in general [was Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread Rémi Després
Le 2012-12-12 à 17:23, Ran Atkinson ran.atkin...@gmail.com a écrit : On Weds 12th December, Remi Despres wrote, in part: Not sure however that the two proposed questions are clear enough because today: - some IIDs have u = 0, and some have u = 1, - some IIDs have g = 0, and some have g =

Re: u/g in general [was Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread Ran Atkinson
On 12 Dec 2012, at 12:21 , Rémi Després wrote: Do you know any deployment with u=g=1 in this context ? There is limited use today of IPv6 addresses that have apparent unicast routing prefixes, but contain multicast group IDs in the low-order 64-bits (IID). Yours, Ran

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread RJ Atkinson
On 12 Dec 2012, at 12:14 , Rémi Després wrote: In any case, IIDs for multicast addresses are out of scope for the IPv6 addressing architecture of RFC 4291. Disagree. It is clear that RFC-4291 has reserved the use of G==U==1 for multicast identifiers. An important point to be noted is

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-12 Thread RJ Atkinson
On Weds, 12th December, Jouni Korhonen wrote, in part: However, my point is that now we would be stepping into IEEE territory, which I am not comfortable with. Exactly so, and the cited reason (avoiding intrusion on IEEE 802's standards) is sufficient reason for the 6MAN WG not to approve

Re: u/g in general [was Mail from softwire working group about 4rd]

2012-12-12 Thread Ole Trøan
I think the only way to make progress on this question is to discuss two points in a much more general way: 1. Does the current mapping of the u bit in the modified EUI format have any value? 2. Does the current mapping of the g bit in the modified EUI format have any value? If the

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Hi Suresh, The 4rd draft (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-4rd-04) describes a solution for providing IPv4 connectivity over IPv6. The draft describes the method for mapping 4rd IPv4 addresses to 4rd IPv6 Addresses. It uses a 4rd specific mark called the V octet in the first 8

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-11 Thread Rémi Després
Hi Brian, Thank you for the quick comments on this issue. Let me explain more below. 2012-12-11 11:55, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com: Hi Suresh, The 4rd draft (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-4rd-04) describes a solution for providing IPv4 connectivity over

Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-07 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi all, The 4rd draft (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-4rd-04) describes a solution for providing IPv4 connectivity over IPv6. The draft describes the method for mapping 4rd IPv4 addresses to 4rd IPv6 Addresses. It uses a 4rd specific mark called the V octet in the first 8 bits of

Re: Mail from softwire working group about 4rd

2012-12-07 Thread Jon Steen
So who is looking at LISP? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 7, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.com wrote: Hi all, The 4rd draft (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-4rd-04) describes a solution for providing IPv4 connectivity over IPv6. The draft describes