Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-29 Thread BIll Sommerfeld
On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 11:04, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Can you give me more details or a pointer to such an attack? I will add add some text and a reference to it. There's a wealth of information about traffic analysis capabilities in many books about WW-II-era codebreaking. As a more modern

Re: Adding Per-prefix Knob (WAS Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt)

2004-10-23 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Pekka Savola wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Hi Pekka/Brian, This is the text I added to have a per-prefix enable/disable setting. Hope it resolves your issues. Additionally, sites might wish to selectively enable or disable the use of temporary addresses for some

Adding Per-prefix Knob (WAS Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt)

2004-10-22 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Pekka/Brian, This is the text I added to have a per-prefix enable/disable setting. Hope it resolves your issues. Additionally, sites might wish to selectively enable or disable the use of temporary addresses for some prefixes. For example, a site might wish to disable

Correlation based on size/timing (WAS Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt)

2004-10-22 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Bill, I have added the following text to include packet sizes and timing Please note that an attacker, who is on path, may be able to perform significant correlation based on o The payload contents of the packets on the wire o The characteristics of the packets such as packet

DHCPv6 (WAS Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt)

2004-10-22 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Ralph, * The abstract no longer refers to DHCP. Nodes use IPv6 stateless address autoconfiguration to generate addresses using a combination of locally available information and information advertised by routers. Addresses are formed by combining network prefixes with an

Re: Adding Per-prefix Knob (WAS Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt)

2004-10-22 Thread Pekka Savola
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Hi Pekka/Brian, This is the text I added to have a per-prefix enable/disable setting. Hope it resolves your issues. Additionally, sites might wish to selectively enable or disable the use of temporary addresses for some prefixes. For

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-21 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Ralph Droms wrote: I disagree with the wording of this section regarding the use of DHCPv6 for privacy addresses: I thought you would, it was just a question when ;-) At 12:03 AM 10/20/2004 -0400, Suresh Krishnan wrote: * Added the following text specifying the

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-21 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Suresh Krishnan wrote: o An attacker who is in the path between the node in question and the peer(s) it is communicating to, and can view the IPv6 addresses present in the datagrams. However, note that such on the path

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-21 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Suggestion at the end... Pekka Savola wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Suresh Krishnan wrote: o An attacker who is in the path between the node in question and the peer(s) it is communicating to, and can view the IPv6 addresses present in the datagrams.

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-21 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Ralph, Please see my comments inline. Thanks Suresh On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Ralph Droms wrote: I disagree with the wording of this section regarding the use of DHCPv6 for privacy addresses: At 12:03 AM 10/20/2004 -0400, Suresh Krishnan wrote: * Added the following text specifying the

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-21 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Brian, That sounds fair to me. I will come up with text with SHOULD language for per-prefix enabling of privacy addresses. I just have to figure out how it will interact/override with the global enable/disable option. Pekka, If I make this change, would you still like me to add specific

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-21 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 00:49, Pekka Savola wrote: However, note that an attacker, who is on path, may be able to perform significant correlation based on the payloads of the packets on the wire. Use of temporary addresses will not prevent such payload based correlation This clearly

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-21 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Hi Brian, That sounds fair to me. I will come up with text with SHOULD language for per-prefix enabling of privacy addresses. I just have to figure out how it will interact/override with the global enable/disable option. Pekka, If I make

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-21 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Bill, I would also mention packet sizes and timing in addition to payload content. My understanding is that you can recover a surprising amount of useful information without even looking at the payloads. I would agree with you that a an attacker can extrapolate a lot about the data,

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-20 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Pekka, I am proposing the following changes to resolve the issues that you raised. * I have made all the changes we both agreed on. * I have added the following problem statement Addresses generated using Stateless address autoconfiguration [ADDRCONF]contain an embedded 64-bit

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-20 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Addresses generated using Stateless address autoconfiguration [ADDRCONF]contain an embedded 64-bit interface identifier, which remains constant over time. Anytime a fixed identifier is used in multiple contexts, it becomes possible to

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-20 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Pekka Savola wrote: ... * I hope the problem statement above justifies the use of privacy addresses for ULAs I'm not so sure: so, you'd assume that the evil enterprise administrator would be eavesdropping and correlating enterprise's internal traffic, or the enterprise's internal web servers

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-20 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Has the protection from your ISPs and federal agencies etc. really been the requirement/goal from the start? On-path does not have to be FBI/NSA or ISPs. It can be anyone on an upstream network (even in the same organization as the user). I would

RE: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-16 Thread Suresh Krishnan
: 'Pekka Savola'; IPV6 IETF (E-mail) Subject: RE: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt Hi, I am not exactly sure what part of the draft you are referring about, but without the 2 hour lifetime rule stateless address autoconf is susceptible to a denial of service attack using fake

RE: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-15 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi, I am not exactly sure what part of the draft you are referring about, but without the 2 hour lifetime rule stateless address autoconf is susceptible to a denial of service attack using fake RAs with low lifetimes. Can you give me the specifics regarding the text in the draft which you

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-15 Thread Pekka Savola
Sorry for the delay to respond to your quick response.. long email ;-) On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Suresh Krishnan wrote: On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Pekka Savola wrote: FWIW, I think we should make the specification agnostic of the hash algorithm. Either MD5 and SHA1 or whatever is just fine. There is no

RE: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-15 Thread Grubmair Peter
: RE: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt Hi, I am not exactly sure what part of the draft you are referring about, but without the 2 hour lifetime rule stateless address autoconf is susceptible to a denial of service attack using fake RAs with low lifetimes. Can you give me

Re: comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-00.txt

2004-10-12 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Pekka, Thanks for the detailed comments. See my responses inline. Regards Suresh On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Pekka Savola wrote: FWIW, I think we should make the specification agnostic of the hash algorithm. Either MD5 and SHA1 or whatever is just fine. There is no interoperability problem