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Subject: Re: [IRCA] CFB (Compact Florescent Blubs)
The major gripe I have is that a 100 watt florescent buld is not as bright
as a 100 watt incondecent bulb.
When they take my incondescent bulbs away, I will be in the dark.
I have lost about 70% of my eye
Thanks Dave. I tried the old ones I had last night again and just they
are still noisy. But with a portable, if I get 15 or 20 feet away the
noise is gone. It is not as bad as I first thought. I did notice that
the CFB weight is a lot more than a regular bulb. Two of them in a dual
socket weighs th
Patrick
The lamp that I used for my test is a Globe Mini-Spiral, 13W.
Dave
On 30-Apr-07, at 8:47 PM, Patrick Martin wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I will have to buy a CFB the next time I am at Fred Meyer to check it
> out.
> Thanks for feedback. At least there is hope with this. I don't know if
> all of
RF -
"Cogito Mercerium, Ergo, Mortus."
- Cato Imbecilius, ca. 58 C.E.,
his Admonition to the Senate
Regarding CFL/CFB/CFM/CFCFs
Bob,
The answers from my originial question keeps coming in. The reason I
mentioned moving on was from all of the flack. I also have gotten two
complaint e mails from people about all of the "Non DX" on the list. We
have a tendecy to get off topic too often I guess. After all, this is a
DX list.
> I will have to buy a CFB the next time I am at Fred Meyer to check it
> out.
> Thanks for feedback. At least there is hope with this. I don't know if
> all of the bulbs are as quiet or not. Which brand do you use?
>
> 73,
>
> Patrick
Are we still on CFL's ?? (it's "Lamp", not "Bulb", or even a "
Dave,
I will have to buy a CFB the next time I am at Fred Meyer to check it
out.
Thanks for feedback. At least there is hope with this. I don't know if
all of the bulbs are as quiet or not. Which brand do you use?
73,
Patrick
Patrick Martin
KAVT Reception Manager
_
The camera lies, twenty four times per second. The mind's eye doesn't. CFB
light just doesn't look as good as incandescent. Do hole-i-garchs care? Why
should they.
They do what they want, and they know exactly what they're doing.
Patrick
I set the 13 watt CFB about a foot away from, and in line with the
loop. I set my NRD 545 to USB and tuned from about 500 to 1780 kHz. I
retuned the loop every couple hundred kHz. I switched off the lamp
every time I ran across a questionable signal. I did not detect a
single carr
The shower heads do work fine but it takes 15 minutes to take a 5 minute
shower, where is the savings in that?
Bob Young
Millbury, Ma
The shower heads seem to be fine.
>
>
>
>Russ Edmunds
>Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL )
>[15 mi NNW of Philadelphia]
>40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20id
><[EMAIL PROTECT
--- Rick Kunath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At least for me, I absolutely hate the color and
> flicker of fluorescent
> lighting. I have to tolerate it some places at work,
> but I have almost no
> fluorescent lighting here at home.
>
> Even if they are quiet, I don't like the look.
This
Walt,
I am the one that asked the question about the CFB. All I wanted to know
if there are any quiet ones. This thread should not have gone into a
political thing. Fellas, lets move on to DX. Isn't that the real reason
we are here? Infact a while ago I posted some tips.
By the way, on a differ
On Sunday 29 April 2007 10:02:17 pm Patrick Martin wrote:
> Well "if" I could buy a noise free bulb, that
> would be fine. I mean NO NOISE, not any. I don't want anything more that
> is a noise maker in my house.
At least for me, I absolutely hate the color and flicker of fluorescent
lighting. I
I sincerely apologize to everyone for starting this thread. I didn't expect
for one minute that it would degenerate into left vs right name-calling, etc.
Come on fellas. All I wanted to do was to inform the readers of the
legislation here in Canada, and what effect, if any, it would have on o
On Sunday 29 April 2007 14:33, willis wrote:
> Have you ever given serious thought as to the real reason for all these
> problems of recent years?? Doesn't it seem strange to you that all of a
> sudden, we have no water, no air, no electric, and an over abundance of
> rules and laws that always
My originial question was "Are there any that do not cause QRM?" That is
all I needed to know. Mandating them or not was not an issue with me
other that the noise situation. We can always stock the regular bulbs if
we want to. But it sounds like the new ones are quiet.
73,
Patrick
Patrick Martin
Craig,
You've got a good point there. The Mercury issue is a concern on the
enviorment if nothing else. But I still like the old fashioned light
bulbs.
73,
Patrick
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Tim,
True, there are more bulbs, but in my house as I live alone, the savings
would be very small.
73,
Patrick
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Go back to DX at the A at 27? I don't think cx are going to be all that
good tonight anyway.
73,
Patrick
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If you fiqure a CFB lasts 10 times longer than a regular bulb and I pay
25 cents for a 60 watts regular bulb and the CFB is $3, then the cost in
time is nearly the same. 25 cents X 10 is $2.50. But outlay in the
beginning is more. $54 to replace them all, compared to $4.50 for
regular bulbs.
73,
Willis,
That is true. There is probably a money trail. One thing is the CFBs
cost more money even though they last longer. The initial outlay is
more, so if everyone buys the bulbs for their houses, then look at all
of the extra $$$ the companies will make.
The CFBs do help conserve power. There i
Walt,
If they had that "orangy glow" then they probably were vapor lights. Oh
yes, those are noisy. The CFBs I have do not knock out the dial, but
cause wierd carriers on different frequencies. But it sounds like those
are the early ones. I am going to try one of the new ones.
73,
Patrick
Patri
Thanks Kevin, Barry, Willis, Dave and all for the great feedback on the
CFBs. It looks like I may not have to stock up on regular bulbs after
all. I do have 50 though, so I wont need new bulbs for sometime. hi. I
will buy a new CFB and give it a try right in the DX room.
73,
Patrick
Patrick Mar
Dave,
Thanks for the feedback. Now, check the whole dial to see if you get any
carriers, if you haven't already. I was using a touch lamp in the
bedroom sometime back and even when it was off, I still got a carrier or
two on the dial. One was 1570.
73,
Patrick
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Berry,
Small sacrafices you say? Well "if" I could buy a noise free bulb, that
would be fine. I mean NO NOISE, not any. I don't want anything more that
is a noise maker in my house. I hope you are right. Like I said, the
ones I have in the closet are noisy, but they go back 10+ years too. I
guess
Craig Healy wrote:
> For those who feel that banning the normal incandescent bulb is a good idea,
> I refer you to this. Mind the potential URL wrap.
>
> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=aa7796aa-e4a5-4c06-be84-b62dee548fda
>
>
Not to prolong this ready-to-expired
On Sunday 29 April 2007 14:33, willis wrote:
> Have you ever given serious thought as to the real reason for all these
> problems of recent years?? Doesn't it seem strange to you that all of a
> sudden, we have no water, no air, no electric, and an over abundance of
> rules and laws that always fav
Very good, Russ. I put that post in a file, so I can use you comment again.
Willis
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From: "Russ Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America"
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [IRC
Sorry that I ratted yours. Put your tin foil hat back on.
-Original Message-
From: willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IRCA] CFB (Compact Florescent Blubs)
Tim-
You remind me of the story about the blond and the
For those who feel that banning the normal incandescent bulb is a good idea,
I refer you to this. Mind the potential URL wrap.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=aa7796aa-e4a5-4c06-be84-b62dee548fda
The message here is *never* report *anything* to the government unles
1%-2% spread across tens of millions of households adds up.
-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Russ Edmunds
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] CFB (Compact
--- Tim Kridel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But there are a lot more bulbs than TVs, computers, etc., so if
> enough
> incandescent bulbs are replaced with CFL, the impact on energy usage
> will be
> significant.
>
>
*** Last I knew, if I have a savings of 1-2% and so does everyone else,
--- Barry McLarnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Such whining!
>
> I'm buying only CFBs these days, and I haven't seen noise issues with
> any,
> except for one of the early ones that was purchased 10+ years ago.
> The
> technology has improved greatly in recent years, so please give them
> a
I agree with you Tim..
Paul
On 4/29/07, Tim Kridel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't know what to tell you. You sound like one of those people who
> perceives everything as a conspiracy. I
> Tim, the whole idea is nothing more than class A1, gold platted, Bull
> S&%#.
> Just another form of
--- willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > The Law of Unintended Consequences is joyously salivating for an
> > incandescent ban.
>
> Gerry-
> Did you really mean, "Intended" consequences? FDR wrote that "Nothing
> happens by accident, if it happens, so one planned it."
>
>
The "Law of Un
--- Patrick Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am not against new things to improve our life. But does everything
> that is new have to have so much excess baggage along with it?
*** The theory of planned obsolescence carries with it a sidecar
containing the law of unintended consequences.
e energy usage.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of willis
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] CFB (Compact Florescent Blubs)
- Original Message -
From:
- Original Message -
From: "Tim Kridel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> But there are a lot more bulbs than TVs, computers, etc., so if enough
> incandescent bulbs are replaced with CFL, the impact on energy usage will
be
> significant.
Tim, the whole idea is nothing more than class A1, gold platted
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] CFB (Compact Florescent Blubs)
> What gets me is, saving a few watts on a light bulb or two, while people
> run big screen TVs, computers, etc. Those use a lot more juice than a
> light bulb or two.
P
> What gets me is, saving a few watts on a light bulb or two, while people
> run big screen TVs, computers, etc. Those use a lot more juice than a
> light bulb or two.
Pat-
There corporate money behind this light bulb crap. Just like insurance
companies, when the money gets right and into the 'cor
At 10:52 AM 4/29/2007, you wrote:
>Such whining!
>
>I'm buying only CFBs these days, and I haven't seen noise issues with any,
>except for one of the early ones that was purchased 10+ years ago. The
>technology has improved greatly in recent years, so please give them a fair
>shake.
>
>I also
> Right-o!
>
> Too much weed it is, drift algae, plentiful locally. cheaper than No.
> Atlantic seaweed, albeit effective.
Yes, that Atlantic sea weed is the best. In the navy in 1965, we went
through the Sargasso sea. Solid sea weed. Great smokin' for the whole ship!!
But let dry first, lite
--- willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The major gripe I have is that a 100 watt florescent
> buld is not as bright
> as a 100 watt incondecent bulb.
Incandescent.
You can't purchase a 100 W standard base fluorescent
compact. The 100 watt ones are mogul base, and
generally are 6500 lumens.
> I'm buying only CFBs these days, and I haven't seen noise issues with any,
> except for one of the early ones that was purchased 10+ years ago. The
> technology has improved greatly in recent years, so please give them a
fair
> shake.
Yes, we have 6 in the house, no QRN. The major problem is the
The apartment building, where I live, just replaced all incandescent
bulbs with compact fluorescent. If i recall correctly, the building
supervisor said they replaced over 3200 bulbs. I just tested one by
moving a lamp next to my 40" loop and listening on 4 empty AM
frequencies. I did not
Right-o!
Too much weed it is, drift algae, plentiful locally. cheaper than No.
Atlantic seaweed, albeit effective.
z
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Such whining!
I'm buying only CFBs these days, and I haven't seen noise issues with any,
except for one of the early ones that was purchased 10+ years ago. The
technology has improved greatly in recent years, so please give them a fair
shake.
I also have a low-flush toilet and a low-flow show
> Yes, UK is infected w/this virus, the home of 'knife control', as they
call
> it, with a straight face. First, ban. Next, house by house confiscation.
They
> think of everything. Good time to bury incandescents & vacuum tubes in PVC
> pipes, along w/whatever else might be in them.
Oh, come on,
> The Law of Unintended Consequences is joyously salivating for an
> incandescent ban.
Gerry-
Did you really mean, "Intended" consequences? FDR wrote that "Nothing
happens by accident, if it happens, so one planned it."
Willis
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I am not against new things to improve our life. But does everything
that is new have to have so much excess baggage along with it? A noise
free bulb that uses 10% of the power would be nice. If there are any
noise free ones out there, I would like to know which ones. Kevin, what
brand are yours? I
erica
Subject: Re: [IRCA] CFB (Compact Florescent Blubs)
I just have had experience with the two Pacific Power sent as freebe's.
I still have them, but they put out carriers. My originial thread, I
asked if there were any "noise free" CFB's out there. But I have noticed
at Fred
What gets me is, saving a few watts on a light bulb or two, while people
run big screen TVs, computers, etc. Those use a lot more juice than a
light bulb or two.
73,
Patrick
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I just have had experience with the two Pacific Power sent as freebe's.
I still have them, but they put out carriers. My originial thread, I
asked if there were any "noise free" CFB's out there. But I have noticed
at Fred Meyer the CFB's that were $10 each have come down to $2.95 ea
now. So more pe
Bob,
I am not sure if the word is "otlawed" per se, but as with many other
things through the years, they may be very hard to get if not
impossible. However, UK, Canada, some US states (CA) are moving in that
direction.
73,
Patrick
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> Ca. '91, Narragansett Electric Co. offered Rhode Islanders who
> lived in Gold
> Medallion Homes several cash savers.
I had EXACTLY the same deal in 1989. I guarantee you, that
Naragansett Electric guy made a believer out of me with the CFLs.
> Next made generous proposition. Accept sever
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>Subject: Re: [IRCA] CFB (Compact Florescent Blubs)
>Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:23:08 EDT
>Still,
>incandescents preferred, warmer light. Difference
1. Per earlier post re Rhode Islanders & former Narragansett Electric Co.,
CFB program entirely voluntary. Company intent: promote CFBs & juice-saving
w/free samples. Entirely benign & beneficial to homeowners. Very kind of them,
actually, to test for & seal air leaks. Fellow who arrived most i
: [IRCA] CFB (Compact Florescent Blubs)
B -
This is what some RI legislator proposes. CA leads way, along w/couple
other
states. Bans set several years into future - in tradition adopted during 90s
- subsequent to couple election cycles. They know exactly what they're
doing.
State by
Yes, UK is infected w/this virus, the home of 'knife control', as they call
it, with a straight face. First, ban. Next, house by house confiscation. They
think of everything. Good time to bury incandescents & vacuum tubes in PVC
pipes, along w/whatever else might be in them.
B -
This is what some RI legislator proposes. CA leads way, along w/couple other
states. Bans set several years into future - in tradition adopted during 90s
- subsequent to couple election cycles. They know exactly what they're doing.
State by state thing.
Rooftop beacons here use incan
Ca. '91, Narragansett Electric Co. offered Rhode Islanders who lived in Gold
Medallion Homes several cash savers. Fellow arrived. Politely introduced
himself. Produced massive rubber boot, one end of which he affixed to large
fan,
other to door. Secured windows. Turned on fan. Calculated air le
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>Subject: Re: [IRCA] CFB (Compact Florescent Blubs)
>Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:07:59 -0400
>
>
>
> > Do what I am going to do, stock up on the regular bulbs.
>Pat-
>It is my understanding that not only
Willis,
I always buy things I need on sale. Sometimes, I forget how many of
something I have. I just counted and I have 42 - 60 & 75 watts bulbs. I
found a few I had behind some other stuff that apparently have been
there for years. I also found two packages of 100 watt ones (8) I never
have used
> Do what I am going to do, stock up on the regular bulbs.
Pat-
It is my understanding that not only will NOT be able to buy the old bulbs,
but you NOT be able to have them in your home. The SS will take them from
you.
But that is a good idea, and I have started to stock up.
Willis
Willis,
Do what I am going to do, stock up on the regular bulbs. I don't know
what you pay, but a a quarter a piece here and then getting a third pack
free, stocking up on a couple hundred bulbs is not much.
Then we will have them for the rest of our lives. The gov wont take them
away from us, bu
Mike,
Good question. Has the ARRL even mentioned it? Anyone know? Unless they
radiate a short distance, not to cause much QRM.
73,
Patrick
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Kevin,
The two Pacific Power sent out as freebes back in the 90s cause carriers
up and down the dial. Dxer friend, Dave Williams has been fighting one
somewhere close to his home that puts a carrier right on 750 khz (KXL
Portland), but it seems to drift too. Sometimes it is on 745 khz.
73,
Patr
Walt,
I have heard the UK is moving in that direction too. California may
mandate that in the near future also as they have energy issues
especially in the Summer with all of the A/C and hot weather.
In NW Oregon we pay 05 to 06 cents per k/h. no biggie. As far as my
DXing goes, it comes first reg
> Okay, call me dense, but if (as I have always understood) florescent
> bulbs of whatever type cause QRM, why haven't we heard anything from
> AROs/ARRL?
>
> Just curious.
No money in it!
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The major gripe I have is that a 100 watt florescent buld is not as bright
as a 100 watt incondecent bulb.
When they take my incondescent bulbs away, I will be in the dark.
I have lost about 70% of my eye site, and the new bulbs just don't do the
trick.
But those who have handycaps won't be aroun
> *** $15 a month ? How many of them do you have ?
I have ZERO incandescent bulbs ANYWHERE in my house.
Kevin
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> I haven't any flourescents in my home for obvious reasons. But I also
> have no 100-watt nor 75-watt incandescent bulbs in regular use. I have
> a couple of 75's in dark areas of the basement, but they don't get much
> use.
>
>
> Russ Edmunds
I have a few fluorescents in my house that do cause
Okay, call me dense, but if (as I have always understood) florescent
bulbs of whatever type cause QRM, why haven't we heard anything from
AROs/ARRL?
Just curious.
Patrick Martin wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Are there any CFB's that do not cause RF noise? The ones I tried several
> ye
--- kevin redding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The ones I bought in 1989 are still operating. Since using them, I
> have had no additional noise. My power bill has dropped $15 a month.
>
>
*** $15 a month ? How many of them do you have ?
Russ Edmunds
Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL )
[15 mi NNW
The ones I bought in 1989 are still operating. Since using them, I
have had no additional noise. My power bill has dropped $15 a month.
I am very happy with CFLs.
Kevin
On Apr 28, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Russ Edmunds wrote:
> The consensus seems to be that they last far longer and consume far
> l
Every one I have used since 1989 have been dead silent.
Kevin
On Apr 28, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Patrick Martin wrote:
> Are there any CFB's that do not cause RF noise?
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--- Gerry Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Watch batteries don't, generally, shatter on contact with a kitchen
> floor.
>
> Perhaps someone can explain to me why these bulbs are "better" than
> incandescent bulbs?
>
>
*** The consensus seems to be that they last far longer and consume f
ehalf Of Walter Salmaniw
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] CFB (Compact Florescent Blubs)
Haven't noticed anything on the list, but the Government of Canada has
introduced legislation to eliminate sales of incande
Rhode Island Legislature, according to _www.projo.com_ (http://www.projo.com)
, is considering mandating these little noisemakers & banning incandescent.
They really do want us to be held incommunicado, don't they?
z
**
Haven't noticed anything on the list, but the Government of Canada has
introduced legislation to eliminate sales of incandescent light bulbs by the
year 2012. I'm sure this won't help the world of dxing, especially if there's
a flood of cheap noisy bulbs. This has already caused a certain amou
Greetings,
Are there any CFB's that do not cause RF noise? The ones I tried several
years back caused all sorts of carriers on the band. I was told the
newer ones are quieter. Anyone know? The LCD bulbs are quiet, but to
buy enough to cover a whole house would cost a fortune at $50 for bulb.
In s
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