[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread RogerV
The punch card era of computing may be the last that leaves any discernible record of the information technology of our era to future archeologist. All the media since then will likely not survive the centuries and this time period will effectively appear as a "dark ages". To think we've not yet i

[The Java Posse] Re: The iPhone, Open Systems, and Leaving Sun

2010-02-04 Thread JavaSnake
Joshua Marinacci wrote: ... > But when we see something that will replace the laptops we have today, and > the nice open general purpose computing environments we take for granted, > then it starts to be worrisome. > > The answer, however, is not to bitch on mailing lists and blogs.  Most people

Re: [The Java Posse] The iPhone, Open Systems, and Leaving Sun

2010-02-04 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 23:43, Joshua Marinacci wrote: > The iPad doesn't represent something that augments your laptop. For 90% of > people, this will *replace* their laptop. I knew it all the time somewhere deep inside my brain - I am different from 90% of the people... > The problem? So let

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Feb 5, 12:28 am, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > >http://www.eurodroid.com/2010/02/power-crazed-apple-demands-developer... > > It's getting ridicolous. I wonder how longer Google Maps will stay on > the iPhone. Yep, that goes too far. Apple - Google relationship seems to have turned from "business"

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Feb 4, 9:39 am, Casper Bang wrote: > When I say "odd reasons" it's not to offend you, but due to personal > experiences. Even my own father (who has an iPhone as recommended by > me) can't quite figure iTunes out and is annoyed at how often it > crashes and really just wants to be able to mount

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Karsten Silz wrote: Most of us probably just have, say ten thousand music tracks max, yet the online music stores have north of five million tracks. Now even if we assume that 80% of them don't sell a single copy per year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail#Criticism), that still leave

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Feb 4, 5:48 am, Robert Casto wrote: > Really, who needs 140,000 apps when 10,000 good ones will do. If you tell Microsoft that Office is bloated and everybody just uses ten percent of the functionality, then Microsoft replies: "Yeah, but everybody uses a different ten percent!" There's some t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Karsten Silz wrote: Back in 1995 I had better cataloging capabilities of my music (of course, data entry was manual, but no other choice at the time) and frankly I'd have expected much better stuff in 2010!! Can't you edit the song information by hand in iTunes, too? Yes, of course.

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Feb 4, 1:17 am, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > I'd like to have an open system (I'm not saying FLOSS, I'm saying open > to competition), not because I want to copy files by hand, but because > I'd like competition, which means better products. Closed systems compete, too. All online video shops fo

[The Java Posse] Validating staging release repos with Maven

2010-02-04 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
As part of the moving out of Kenai, I've been able to publish the artifacts of one of my projects to the free repos provided by SonaType. The workflow they support includes a staging repo: when you publish a release, artifacts get into a temporary repo; you then log in their Nexus instance, re

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Casper Bang wrote: And the purity continues: http://www.eurodroid.com/2010/02/power-crazed-apple-demands-developer-axes-mention-of-android-from-iphone-app/ It's getting ridicolous. I wonder how longer Google Maps will stay on the iPhone. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Ma

[The Java Posse] Re: The iPhone, Open Systems, and Leaving Sun

2010-02-04 Thread Christian Catchpole
I was thinking about our various of expectations or different devices to be able to: 1. suck it up and use what i'm given (my microwave or smoke detector) 2. write programs for a device but with a hefty license fee and controlled distribution (Nintendo Wii etc.) 3. write programs for a device and

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Christian Catchpole
Well, if they don't mention it, maybe it will just go away. On Feb 5, 9:07 am, Casper Bang wrote: > And the purity continues: > > http://www.eurodroid.com/2010/02/power-crazed-apple-demands-developer... > > On Feb 4, 10:25 pm, Peter Becker wrote: > > > > > The days when "soft scrolling" was

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Casper Bang
And the purity continues: http://www.eurodroid.com/2010/02/power-crazed-apple-demands-developer-axes-mention-of-android-from-iphone-app/ On Feb 4, 10:25 pm, Peter Becker wrote: > The days when "soft scrolling" was an impressive feat. But working with > some guys who started with punch cards

[The Java Posse] Re: The iPhone, Open Systems, and Leaving Sun

2010-02-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Feb 4, 11:43 pm, Joshua Marinacci wrote: > http://www.joshondesign.com/2010/02/03/leaving-sun-joining-palm/ Good luck at Palm! They certainly fell behind a bit in mind- and market-share, so they need help in getting the word out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to th

Re: [The Java Posse] The iPhone, Open Systems, and Leaving Sun

2010-02-04 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Joshua Marinacci wrote: And that's exactly what I've decided to do: http://www.joshondesign.com/2010/02/03/leaving-sun-joining-palm/ I read the whole post breathless... with a mixed bag of feelings (and disagreeing on a few things ;-), sad because you're leaving Sun/Oracle, but above all ..

[The Java Posse] The iPhone, Open Systems, and Leaving Sun

2010-02-04 Thread Joshua Marinacci
Lots of people have opined on Apple's iPad, many deriding it's closed nature and lack of features. The thing is, those problems don't matter to most people. The iPad isn't for you or me. It's for everyone else. I've spent the last 20 years hoping we would have the technology to build such a dev

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Peter Becker
The days when "soft scrolling" was an impressive feat. But working with some guys who started with punch cards and soldering irons I don't try to pull the "been here for long" card anymore :-) One day I might go to Warpstock, though -- after all that is still an annual conference, so OS/2 just

[The Java Posse] Project Wonderand - developer resources pulled

2010-02-04 Thread Carl Jokl
Having recently started a research project involving Wonderland I was saddened to see that development resources are being pulled from Project Wonderland. The team is passionate though and intend the work to go on one way or another. Perhaps connected I am also saddended though not wholly surprise

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Comments on Podcast 295

2010-02-04 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Karsten Silz wrote: I think so. Depending on how the Netbeans support for those dynamic languages develops, the pendulum may swing back to Eclipse as the "scripting IDE". Oracle won't invest on dynamic languages for NetBeans, so it's up to the community to decide. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Ja

[The Java Posse] Re: Comments on Podcast 295

2010-02-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Feb 4, 3:42 pm, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > > The JPython dude left Sun a while ago, too (http://java.dzone.com/dose/ > > dzone-daily-dose-24).  It seems that dynamic languages (apart from > > JavaFX) have decreased in priority at Oracle. > > This is indeed my point - but being those developers a

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-04 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Alexey Zinger wrote: At the risk of sounding like an aging hippie, which I am not, you can't put a measure on creativity that way, man, and software engineering is a largely creative endeavor, man. Even when we talk about support of existing software, one's job rarely involves doing the exac

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-04 Thread Alexey Zinger
At the risk of sounding like an aging hippie, which I am not, you can't put a measure on creativity that way, man, and software engineering is a largely creative endeavor, man. Even when we talk about support of existing software, one's job rarely involves doing the exact same thing twice -- y

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Comments on Podcast 295

2010-02-04 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Karsten Silz wrote: On Feb 4, 3:13 pm, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: Of course you're right. I had forgotten. At this point, one would say it was a very wise move, for everybody. The JPython dude left Sun a while ago, too (http://java.dzone.com/dose/ dzone-daily-dose-24). It seems that dyn

[The Java Posse] Re: Comments on Podcast 295

2010-02-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Feb 4, 3:13 pm, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > Of course you're right. I had forgotten. At this point, one would say it > was a very wise move, for everybody. The JPython dude left Sun a while ago, too (http://java.dzone.com/dose/ dzone-daily-dose-24). It seems that dynamic languages (apart from J

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-04 Thread B Smith-Mannschott
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 06:06, Robert Casto wrote: > Why not bug count. Fewer bugs and the amount of time to fix them put > together should give you an idea of how productive a team is. If they have > lots of bugs or spend lots of time trying to fix them, then they are not > such a good team. If th

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Comments on Podcast 295

2010-02-04 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Mark Volkmann wrote: The JRuby team jumped ship for EngineYard many months ago, so their work is continuing outside Sun. Of course you're right. I had forgotten. At this point, one would say it was a very wise move, for everybody. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalw

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Comments on Podcast 295

2010-02-04 Thread Mark Volkmann
The JRuby team jumped ship for EngineYard many months ago, so their work is continuing outside Sun. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > Karsten Silz wrote: > > On Jan 31, 1:40 pm, Karsten Silz wrote: > > > Killed projects: Beyond Kenai, it seems that the Amazon-EC2-clone by

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Comments on Podcast 295

2010-02-04 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Karsten Silz wrote: On Jan 31, 1:40 pm, Karsten Silz wrote: Killed projects: Beyond Kenai, it seems that the Amazon-EC2-clone by Sun (Sun Cloud?), announced at JavaOne last year, is dead (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/28/sun_amazon_cloud_dead/). Two more victims: Project Darks

[The Java Posse] Re: Comments on Podcast 295

2010-02-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Jan 31, 1:40 pm, Karsten Silz wrote: > Killed projects: Beyond Kenai, it seems that the Amazon-EC2-clone by > Sun (Sun Cloud?), announced at JavaOne last year, is dead > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/28/sun_amazon_cloud_dead/). Two more victims: Project Darkstar (engine for massive mu

[The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-04 Thread Karsten Silz
On Feb 1, 9:11 pm, jr wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I have a question that might be a bit polemic. I would like to know > what approach do you take to measure productivity on a Java project. > If we speak just about lines of code, how do you measure them, how do > you filter non-redundant files fro

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-04 Thread Wildam Martin
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:39, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > If bug count is the major issue then you'll have a lot of fistfighting > about the definition of bug vs. feature request, and you're also > motivating the team to do nothing. > > There's no easy way out of this. I think when focusing on t

[The Java Posse] Re: How to measure lines of code in Java

2010-02-04 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
If bug count is the major issue then you'll have a lot of fistfighting about the definition of bug vs. feature request, and you're also motivating the team to do nothing. There's no easy way out of this. On Feb 4, 6:06 am, Robert Casto wrote: > Why not bug count. Fewer bugs and the amount of tim

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Christian Catchpole wrote: You think talking MS-DOS TSR's dates you? How about 8 bit Commodore 64, assigning the vertical blanking interrupt to a SID player or similar. Ahhh that bygone youth :-(( -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work.

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Christian Catchpole
You think talking MS-DOS TSR's dates you? How about 8 bit Commodore 64, assigning the vertical blanking interrupt to a SID player or similar. On Feb 4, 4:36 pm, RogerV wrote: > On Jan 30, 9:12 pm, Christian Catchpole > wrote: > > > But as I think about it, I'm taking a new perspective.  We all

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple's purity approach

2010-02-04 Thread Casper Bang
> I like iTunes so I must have "odd reasons". Who needs an app where > you can buy, organize, search and sync all your media? Real men copy > files by hand. When I say "odd reasons" it's not to offend you, but due to personal experiences. Even my own father (who has an iPhone as recommended by m