Re: [The Java Posse] OSGi plugin development on eclipse makes me swear... :-(

it looks like the eclipse PDE wizards decided to throw out the normal attach-source functionality in favour packaging the source as a bundle and deploying that. So it looks like the only way to be able to browse your source when the dependencies are plugins is to bundle them up as an OSGi bundle a

Re: [The Java Posse] OSGi plugin development on eclipse makes me swear... :-(

hmmm Tycho actually looks pretty good, bt.. "Tycho is a set of Maven plugins and extensions for building Eclipse plugins and OSGI bundles with Maven. " so it looks like a build tool? whereas my current pain is trying to get eclipse to link source to my existing bundles so ctrl-click just works

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

On Apr 12, 9:36 pm, Casper Bang wrote: > That doesn't change the fact that a good share of your very own > argumentation with me a few weeks ago is now rendered invalid. Please point to me to the discussion, you tent to jump around a bit, topic-wise. > Yesterday Apple forbid apps because they lo

Re: [The Java Posse] OSGi plugin development on eclipse makes me swear... :-(

Have you looked at Tycho? Should be available from Sonatype.org On Apr 12, 2010 10:36 AM, "Matthew Kerle" wrote: ok, from what I've seen so far, OSGi seems pretty smart (hot-reloading of classes at runtime? sexy!). But trying to bully eclipse into helping me while I develop OSGi plugins (not for

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

That doesn't change the fact that a good share of your very own argumentation with me a few weeks ago is now rendered invalid. Yesterday Apple forbid apps because they look wrong, today they forbid apps because they are written in the wrong language and tomorrow... probably only registered Apple fa

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

On Apr 12, 6:04 pm, Mike Wolfson wrote: > This is an effort to maintain their lead in the app space, and is > based on business principles (not any technical reasons IMHO). After reading a lot on this issue, I agree that the main issue is business, not technical - and that Adobe's not the innocen

[The Java Posse] Re: In defense of Objective-C (Was: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC)

On Apr 12, 8:18 am, Christian Catchpole wrote: > It's kind of like saying "don't write code without wearing pants". No one is gonna tell me to put my pants back on. Not happening. Especially when I'm writing code. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Th

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

I think the reason Apple is doing this, is to lock Application developers into the iPhone app store. Apple restricting the ability of a developer to write once, and deploy on multiple platforms, ensures most of them will write only for the iPhone (since it has the biggest market share, and thus th

[The Java Posse] Re: software patents

Just to throw this in to the thread, I remember the multitouch presentations from AGES ago, referred to in the recent podcast. I *believe* Apple bought (in some way or form) the research group that did that presentation. They paid money to prevent the competitors using this for the next 20 years.

[The Java Posse] Re: James Gosling Resigns from Oracle

First, yes, I am sad to hear that James Gosling has moved on. Much as I like the idea of James becoming a stronger influence I can't see that happening as long as Oracle controls the JCP. On Apr 11, 1:13 pm, FloMotlik wrote: > Maybe its no sad news, as he hopefully will engage from the community

[The Java Posse] Re: In defense of Objective-C (Was: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC)

Wasnt responding to any post in particular. Just the topic. On Apr 12, 10:19 pm, Christian Edward Gruber wrote: > I presume that you're answering the original poster behind my reply... > > Christian > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Christian Catchpole wrote: > > > > > This sounds especially bogus

[The Java Posse] Re: Posse anti-Microsoft bias can lead to whitewashing of other companies' record

Tor and Carl, I appreciate your point about the fact that MS has a history of ethically questionable business practices, and I totally agree that, as far as people that are interested in free (as in speech) and open software are concerned, they're on parole. But my main point is that the fact that

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: In defense of Objective-C (Was: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC)

There's an interesting take on the whole issue here: http://nanocr.eu/2010/04/10/steve-jobs-admits-itunes-for-windows-is-a-sub-standard-app/ (dzone voting here:) http://www.dzone.com/links/steve_jobs_admits_i

[The Java Posse] Re: James Gosling Resigns from Oracle

I've sent Oracle my resume. Maybe I'll be able to take his old position. Ok, perhaps not (I'm going to start training on the t-shirt catapulting though). On Apr 11, 10:13 pm, FloMotlik wrote: > Maybe its no sad news, as he hopefully will engage from the community > side now (not that he didn't

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: In defense of Objective-C (Was: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC)

I presume that you're answering the original poster behind my reply... Christian On Apr 12, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Christian Catchpole wrote: This sounds especially bogus because cross-compilation could be both undetectable and therefor irrelevant. So if you get your team to cross compile by hand,

[The Java Posse] Re: In defense of Objective-C (Was: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC)

This sounds especially bogus because cross-compilation could be both undetectable and therefor irrelevant. So if you get your team to cross compile by hand, will apple say "you can't write code while thinking about another language". It's kind of like saying "don't write code without wearing pant

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: SWT Bashing. can we give it a rest

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/12/10 10:45 , Dominic Mitchell wrote: > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Wildam Martin > wrote: > > The default theme of Netbeans is usually the OS-like one. > > > I think that's the point, really. OS-/like/. It doesn'

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: SWT Bashing. can we give it a rest

2010/4/12 Jess Holle : > [I also don't see using the Mac as a Java development platform as you're > hostage to Apple's timeliness of Java update releases -- and Apple's > pathological secrecy about release dates.] I wanted to test my Java applications also on Mac - to make sure it works. Only a sh

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: SWT Bashing. can we give it a rest

Curiously I find Eclipse just plain ugly on Windows. I guess it's all a matter of taste. [I also don't see using the Mac as a Java development platform as you're hostage to Apple's timeliness of Java update releases -- and Apple's pathological secrecy about release dates.] On 4/10/2010 2:37

[The Java Posse] Re: Software Patents and Joe bashing

Finally got around to writing a few notes on the whole patent thing. I've been watching (as I imagine we all have) as software patents in the US have flourished, as have the patent troll companies. Now it appears to be turning into all-out war in the mobile space and I think it is safe to say that

Re: [The Java Posse] In defense of Objective-C (Was: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/12/10 06:41 , Christian Edward Gruber wrote: > With all due respect, and with definite agreement on your points > about language evolution, etc., nevertheless, Obejctive-C got some > things right that we tried to get into Java but were routinely >

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: SWT Bashing. can we give it a rest

One definite advantage that I have spotted in SWT though! It can recognise more than 3 mouse buttons; very handy if you want the next/prev buttons to do something in your IDE... On 12 April 2010 09:45, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Wildam Martin wrote: > >> The defa

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: SWT Bashing. can we give it a rest

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Wildam Martin wrote: > The default theme of Netbeans is usually the OS-like one. > I think that's the point, really. OS-*like*. It doesn't *quite* look the same as would be expected from a native app. It's surprisingly tricky to do this in general. For exampl

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

I'm not entirely sure of the legal position in the USA but in the UK this now feels like it is bordering on 'restraint of trade' (IANAL). The argument about multi-tasking is, frankly, bollocks. If the code only uses public APIs then there should be no issues. Yes, an intermediate layer of could _co

[The Java Posse] OSGi plugin development on eclipse makes me swear... :-(

ok, from what I've seen so far, OSGi seems pretty smart (hot-reloading of classes at runtime? sexy!). But trying to bully eclipse into helping me while I develop OSGi plugins (not for a eclipse, 3rd-party app using OSGi to manage dependencies) is just a nightmare... What's currently making me swea

Re: [The Java Posse] SWT Bashing. can we give it a rest

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 14:39, Graham Allan wrote: >>I, for one, am glad that Dick brought up the issue. I'd been having an >>odd problem where having eclipse stop at a breakpoint in my swing >>application caused my entire desktop to stop responding to all >>input. The only solution was remote SSH

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: SWT Bashing. can we give it a rest

2010/4/10 Michał Bendowski : > From the technical point of view, using a common UI library included > in the JDK would be great. From the user point of view - Eclipse looks > like a decent Mac app, while Netbeans is just plain ugly. The default theme of Netbeans is usually the OS-like one. On my m