Hey All
Are you going to the JavaPosse Round-Up 2014?
Are you seeking a house to share?
I started the process fairly late this year due to other issues. I am
looking for two other potential housemates to share house.
Let me know asap
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Hopefully it will be starting around much earlier than this year. Say
February, because I heard there was no snow on the ground.
On Saturday, 6 October 2012 12:29:37 UTC+1, Romain PELISSE wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> Thanks Carl for the all those infos! Do you have already an idea on the
> date of the
Should've been London one-day Travelcard of 5 or 6 zones that will work
across Buses, Tube (the underground) and Overground trains.
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I am just catching up w/ JavaPosse thread. Sorry I have been on a
California tour of JavaOne, Silicon Valley Code Camp and Silicon Valley
JavaFX User Group talks and then seriously myself looking at business
opportunities.
Hi-fiving me is not the plans at the mo ... I live in the suburbs. I
Hi,
I'm starting a open source project which involves web based Java,
JBoss application server and JBoss Seam 3. I'm a student and I work on
the project in my free time for training. Every one who want to take a
part in this hobby project in his free time is invited. Send me e-
ma
On Jul 1, 3:35 pm, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
> > Apparently, I am doing it for just one Saturday in London, England.
>
> Is that how long summer is these days in the UK?
Seriously, though, come on down.
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On Jul 1, 3:35 pm, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
> > Apparently, I am doing it for just one Saturday in London, England.
>
> Is that how long summer is these days in the UK?
It is example of my limiting belief.
Seriously, the habit of many Brits, and northern European is fly to
Spain (Costa del Sol),
?
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_GB&formkey=dDFRbXBMNklFWHRZUGtsbDZSZnFjTFE6MQ#gid=0
Do you want to come along on Saturday?
See above
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*DONE*
On Jun 6, 2:45 pm, Kevin Wright wrote:
> Any chance you can make it downloadable too? :P
>
> On 6 June 2011 14:42, Peter A Pilgrim wrote:
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> > Ok! Go!
>
> > On Jun 6, 2:35 pm, Kevin Wright wrote:
> > > No we can't, it's marked private
Ok! Go!
On Jun 6, 2:35 pm, Kevin Wright wrote:
> No we can't, it's marked private
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> On 6 June 2011 14:32, Peter A Pilgrim wrote:
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> > Hi All
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> > For all JPR11 attendees. Here is the video of the closing session
> > event that I recorded. I e
Oops! Just a sec
On Jun 6, 2:35 pm, Kevin Wright wrote:
> No we can't, it's marked private
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> On 6 June 2011 14:32, Peter A Pilgrim wrote:
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> > Hi All
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> > For all JPR11 attendees. Here is the video of the cl
Hi All
For all JPR11 attendees. Here is the video of the closing session
event that I recorded. I edited the footage, annotated the names, and
uploaded earlier. So you can see it now
http://www.xenonique.co.uk/blog/?p=365 or here http://vimeo.com/20802566
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When I heard Dick singing the 2525 song in the most recent episode, I
thought sure he was wrong in attributing it to a folk song. To me, it
was the theme song to a cheesy Sci Fi show called "Cleopatra 2525".
Imagine my surprise when I looked it up on wikipedia and found it was
a real song, and was
umber telephoneNumber).
>
> More verbose? Yes. But enough about me.
Yes it was verbose.
Add in the complexity of JMX configuration and actually the client
wanted the configuration to be stored in a relational database, and
the ability to reconnect after failure.
> > On 8 May 2011 16:47, P
On May 8, 5:49 pm, Kevin Wright wrote:
> On 8 May 2011 05:34, Peter A Pilgrim wrote:
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> > Hello All
>
> > This is a very generic set of questions on Java EE or not, as the case
> > may be, (some people name it as so-called SERVER CORE JAVA oxymoron-
> &g
Hi
I will just say
6GB should have been 96GB of RAM on a (dedicated?) server.
There was talk about wanting to potentially scale 5.0e06 whatsits per
day to 100e06 to ensure capacity.
Beyond that my lips are sealed.
On May 8, 5:49 pm, Kevin Wright wrote:
> On 8 May 2011 05:34, Peter A Pilg
Hello All
This is a very generic set of questions on Java EE or not, as the case
may be, (some people name it as so-called SERVER CORE JAVA oxymoron-
like marketing) and the Spring Framework
What are the possible architecture(s) of a spring framework
application which uses a large amount of memor
Hello All
Here is two video recordings of the Java Posse Round-Up 2011 podcast,
episode 342, in to two parts. This JavaPosse and all of us who
attending the Round-Up this year, Thursday night, 24th February in the
parish church.
http://www.xenonique.co.uk/blog/?p=350
Enjoy ;-)
http://www.vimeo.
Hi
It is not as a good as IntelliJ IDEA 10.2 Community Edition with the
auto completion. Control+Space gets you only so far. It works as
advertised. You can navigate to the scala library runtime.
So far so good with NB 7.0 FCS
On Mar 10, 12:36 pm, Jan Goyvaerts wrote:
> none at all ? :-)
>
> On
still developing a lot more Clojure code in comparison to
Java?
And thanks for this response and evidence, I think that this very
credible marker on the Beyond Java on the JVM universe.
> On Mar 29, 5:27 am, Peter A Pilgrim wrote:
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> > Hey All
>
> > Which companies / organi
On Mar 30, 10:09 pm, Josh Berry wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Oscar Hsieh wrote:
> > Just out of my own curiosity, a quick check on wikipedia
>
>
>
> As for comparing it to scala, I really don't care which came first. I
> think everyone agrees that the Java ecosystem was rather clo
On Mar 30, 4:56 pm, Joe Sondow wrote:
> On Mar 30, 2:02 am, mP wrote:
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> > At most Grails & Griffon by their very nature are only available to Groovy
> > users which again means they are qutie small compared to the rest.
>
> I didn't realize you were asking if there are libraries written in no
Hi Josh
Thanks for doing the detective work on what will be probably another
web presentation.
When both you and D.J are in London, I will be buying you both pints
of beers.
On Mar 30, 9:58 pm, Oscar Hsieh wrote:
> Just out of my own curiosity, a quick check on wikipedia
>
> Groovy - "James Str
anguages happen but Java is still king and used for
> almost everything here.
>
Juan this was great stuff! Loved it.
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Peter A Pilgrim
> wrote:
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>
>
> > Maybe it would help if those guys (and gals) from those countries
> > actually c
On Mar 29, 2:25 pm, matthewjfarw...@gmail.com wrote:
> Le 29 mars 2011 13:47, Peter A Pilgrim a écrit :
>
> > I may as well pack up my showel and toolbox and go back down the mine.
>
> There are no mines in the UK any more.
Yes Matthew that is probably correct. The tin co
On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, Jonathan Fuerth wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> I work at a financial company (a forex dealer) in Toronto. My team is
> currently starting to use Groovy in the periphery of what we do: things like
> log analysis and other tools for in-house use. We plan to replace
On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, Jonathan Fuerth wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> I work at a financial company (a forex dealer) in Toronto. My team is
> currently starting to use Groovy in the periphery of what we do: things like
> log analysis and other tools for in-house use. We plan to replace
wrote:
> On 29 Mar 2011 12:47, "Peter A Pilgrim" wrote:
>
>
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On Mar 29, 12:36 pm, Kevin Wright wrote:
> On 29 March 2011 12:20, Peter A Pilgrim wrote:
>
> > On Mar 29, 11:37 am, Martijn Verburg wrote:
> > > Hey Peter,
>
> > > Well since you're form London as well I assume you've caught the ne
using Groovy of complexity in the
past?
Ta
>
> Cheers, Paul.
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Peter A Pilgrim
> wrote:
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> > Hey All
>
> > Which companies / organisation are using alternative JVM languages?
> > What is the ratio of the alternative JVM la
On Mar 29, 11:37 am, Martijn Verburg wrote:
> Hey Peter,
>
> Well since you're form London as well I assume you've caught the news
> of the Guardian moving some of its backend to Scala?
Yes I know about the Guardian. I went to their presentation in
January.
The situat
Hey All
Which companies / organisation are using alternative JVM languages?
What is the ratio of the alternative JVM languages to pure Java
programming languages in such organisations?
Perhaps organisation is too broad grain, what about teams, I would be
interested in that too.
I am trying to fin
acquaintance.
"To be a good Scrummaster, you need to learn coaching skills and to
learn SCRUM is really rather simple, because the principles are easy
to understand. Some suggested books:
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Becoming a Technical Leader by Gerald M Weinberg
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It doesn't seem like a landslide to me. If you combine iThings you
get 28% vs android's 29%.
The percentages add up to 100, which implies the survey may have
forced you to choose only one option, and is therefore silly in my
view. Despite Steve's crusade against cross platform apps, I suspect
ma
I vaguely recall the posse talking about, or at least mentioning, some
nifty online diagramming tool. I could not find anything in the
recent show notes though, and I wonder if I am remembering a much
older episode than I think. Anybody remember better than me? In lieu
of that, if you have a fav
Decided against the Tufte book it is too controversial. It is best to
go look one of the books in real life and flick through them I said.
On Dec 16, 8:38 pm, Kevin Wright wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2010 20:21, "Peter A Pilgrim" wrote:
>
>
>
> > If there was only one Edwar
If there was only one Edward Tufte book to buy for Xmas, which book
would it be?
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Apple says magazines related to android not welcome in app store. I'm
sure Steve has a reason why this is better for users...
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/11/26/apple-bans-android-magazine-app/
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you can see I would have the IDE plugin.
On 12 Oct, 16:22, Peter A Pilgrim wrote:
> Hi Everyone
>
> May be even Tor can help.
>
> Has anyone come across a name value pattern plugin for NetBeans or
> Eclipse IDE?
> Given a class like this:
>
> class Node {
>
Hi Everyone
May be even Tor can help.
Has anyone come across a name value pattern plugin for NetBeans or
Eclipse IDE?
Given a class like this:
class Node {
private float x;
private float y;
private float z;
}
The plugin generates the accessors and builder chain mutators
class No
On 13 Aug, 03:29, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
> I really, _REALLY_ didn't imagine this was actually going to happen,
> but the concern raised a few javaposses back has come true.
>
> My immediate gut reaction to this news: WTF is Ellison doing? I know
> oracle likes the whole "screw the long term
not have thought of anything SQL as fun, but when you can create new
shapes by doing unions over SQL GROUP BY groupings you suddenly can
whack out exactly the shapes you need in less than 5 minutes. The
matching picture is only a few clicks away in GeoServer.
I hope that helps a bit.
Peter
O
http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom-of-nouns.html
On 16/07/10 00:09, Nick wrote:
I was thinking about this on the drive to work a few months ago. OO
does mimic the way we view the world in its focus on objects or
nouns. Think about how you would describe a scene to so
h the OS updates. But
that is a bit more involved.
Peter
On 15/07/10 21:47, rhythmchicago wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for tips on how people have done this in the past. I
finally got my company to sign off on shipping our system with Ubuntu
and not Windows. While I use Ubuntu a lot, my p
7;d say we should just
agree to disagree.
Peter
On 14/07/10 23:11, jitesh dundas wrote:
I dont think so..It is actually our way of implementing hibernate..Are
you sure that the performance based issues and the tuning parameters
are being handled properly..
BTW, how many softwares do you know t
Rails, and Grails in particular.
Peter
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No, it doesn't. And it also supports JPA annotations, so you don't need
any XML at all.
Peter
On 14/07/10 22:44, Kevin Wright wrote:
hang on... does hibernate continue to read XML files after it's loaded?
If so, then that would *definitely be a bottleneck!
On 14 July 201
l hit those fast.
I consider object-relational mapping a stupid idea, but unfortunately
one that's hard to avoid in current enterprise development. Thus my
cynicism.
Peter
On 14/07/10 22:40, jitesh dundas wrote:
Precisely what I was about to say in a few minutes..Peter, you read my
m
On 14/07/10 21:22, Moandji Ezana wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Peter Becker <http://peter.becker.de>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
On 14/07/10 19:16, Moandji Ezana wrote:
The thing I find most useful about Hibernate is that when you
have a l
get rather
complicated.
Has anyone used LINQ? Does that make working with SQL nice enough to
do away with an ORM?
I still haven't tried LINQ -- I must admit that I treated Windows solely
as a gaming platform for the last two years. I might learn some .NET on
my new job.
Peter
-
e decided the database
has to be a commodity while at the same time the vendors did everything
to avoid exactly that. The result is that RDBMS can be a pain, but that
is no justification to claim relational algebra as a failure. I somehow
hope the revival of the functional paradigm will move things
On 13/07/10 22:41, jitesh dundas wrote:
Have you heard of Hibernate/Spring for hiding DB related issues..
It hides them so well that it usually takes at least 10 times longer to
fix them. It does so by layering a coat of its own issues over the DB.
Peter (who tends to get cynical when
fects and
problems they face are quite different from what you might expect. Some
things I remember are kids running through the curriculum too fast,
parents borrowing the computer too much and the need for legislative
changes to adjust how curriculae are handled.
Peter
On 13/07/10
ivate email and feed reading
happens on train and bus, plus some bits of coding and database work. My
old netbook even copes decently running PostGIS + Geoserver :-) Kudos to
the Ubuntu team -- with Windows XP it hardly coped with Adobe Reader (we
are talking first gen Dell Mini 9 here).
At some level in the code IOException and SqlException are part of the
domain model. They should just not be allowed to bubble up.
Peter
On 27/06/10 18:19, Kevin Wright wrote:
There's a school of thought stating that checked exceptions are okay
for domain-level concepts, but no
t that there is an
expectation coming from the current name of the podcast.
Maybe they should pick a nice non-Unicode character and call themselves
"the group formerly known as the JavaPosse" ;-) Just kidding.
Peter
On 24/06/10 06:41, Dianne Marsh wrote:
Wow. I'm pret
ular IDE, so that means "ant" or
"maven". I'm a bit old school, so I also like the command line.
One frustration I had with maven (years ago, when I last looked at it)
was perfectly illustrated by Peter Becker with his "mvn $GOAL"
example. It was never obvio
ding an Ant build takes way longer.
Peter
On 22/06/10 21:21, Fabrizio Giudici wrote:
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On 6/22/10 12:46 , Wildam Martin wrote:
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:38, Peter Becker
wrote:
Maven might feel too complex or too limiting when you
for standalone tools or "tomcat:deploy" if we deploy to Tomcat
Maven might feel too complex or too limiting when you come from Ant, but
once you see the tool support it is more than worth it.
Peter
On 22/06/10 17:39, Wildam Martin wrote:
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 01:48, Fabr
On 18/06/10 01:22, Marcelo Fukushima wrote:
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Peter Becker <http://peter.becker.de>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
For me the big problem with Solaris (Open or not) is the lack of
decent package management. Not only is the tool
Hi Dick
Very best of luck with your brand new adventure with the Scala
training with Bill Venners. It sound very exciting to working on Scala
as a trainer. Recently, I trained under Martin Odersky with his
Workshop in London. A no brainer!
In case you missed my announcement, I am leaving the worl
stuff I need is just an "sudo apt-get install XYZ"
away (with tab expansion on the package name ;-) ).
Just my 2c,
Peter
On 17/06/10 00:16, Carl Jokl wrote:
My private Web Server used to run Solaris 10. I have used OpenSolaris
and know that Solaris is a powerful platform. Howe
t both problems were (a) not
all that bad and (b) only affected a very small fraction of our overall
work.
I would definitely do this approach again. One day I might write it up
-- I actually started a draft for a couple of blog entries, but never
got around to fix them up.
Regards,
the iPhone, it also came with plans that included
data. While I don't see the same extreme change happening in the market
(since video telephony doesn't seem as useful), I could see Apple
causing a bit of a shift in the market again.
Peter
On 16/06/10 04:00, Robert Casto wrote:
S
On 12/06/10 09:37, Christian Catchpole wrote:
On Jun 11, 9:30 pm, Peter Becker wrote:
Did I
mention that I have a very strong dislike of that startup sound from the
not-BIOS? :-)
That's because it's a tritone, also known as "The Devils Interval"
http://en.wikipe
#x27;d say the new Ubuntu looks way too
much like MacOS), but sometimes they imitate quite well. KDE used to be
the better Windows for a long time, now they have their own character.
Peter
On 11/06/10 19:08, Kevin Wright wrote:
The problem with developing on windows is that servers are typ
your network is disconnected from the world life gets much harder,
though.
And of course there is always the chance that people believed in the
"nearly fixed" a bit too much. After all setting up an alternative page
takes resources from fixing the real problem.
Peter
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Oops, yes I did. Talking about ignorance... -- although I guess it's
more general incompetence in this case :-)
Peter
On 25/05/10 09:38, Kevin Wright wrote:
You mean segue, right?
Though a thinking segway would be pretty cool! Especially if I could
build one using Lego Minds
I think with Apple it is all about the ability to design good user
interfaces. Maybe more accurately: the perception thereof.
If someone would manage to create the next great app that works across
platforms, then that will weaken their position.
Peter
On 25/05/10 09:27, Kevin Wright
s not whether
machines think, but whether men do." (B.F. Skinner, via Civ4). Having
dealt with semantic web technologies quite a bit I tell you it is mostly
dreaming. If you want to deal with Java errors, grab PMD and Findbugs.
Peter
On 25/05/10 09:07, jitesh dundas wrote:
Dear All,
W
Yes, Kevin. This is the walled garden thread, don't post anything that
hasn't been cleared with the management. And never ever consider
changing the subject line, otherwise you get into trouble with the
Google overlords.
Peter
On 25/05/10 01:17, Rakesh wrote:
I think you pos
ey just think there is no business case in following up with their
customers. KDE/Netbeans coders really seem to appreciate the feedback
and try to connect. No idea where Apple sits on that scale, but somehow
I can't see them being too open about what's happening in the dev teams.
don't
really know.
Peter
On 21/05/10 04:24, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
The evolution of PC audio as told by Secret of Monkey Island.
Presumably the inspiration of the new Scalawags posse tune. Thought
you guys would like it :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a324ykKV-7Y
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has created scenarios in which it is truly
very hard for these organizations to upgrade the browser. That is
largely a fault of bad practices at exactly those places that talk a lot
about best practices :-)
Peter
On 21/05/10 04:26, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
People who are capable of updatin
order to attend
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, which will make it easier for the technically
inclined to push their friends over to some other browser. It doesn't
even have to be Firefox, the main change is that the (Internet Browser
== IE) equation has been broken in people's heads.
Peter
On 20/05/10 17:51, Moandji Ezana w
possibly reduce functionality and performance.
Unfortunately the people we deal with at the client usually don't have
any influence over core IT decisions like that, which means the only
thing they can do is pass the message on. Which all produces a very
negative mood, but it seems the best we can
since
removing IE is too hard and installing a second browser means supporting
two browsers where one should be enough.
MS played the game of cornering the browser market well, and while they
are losing on some fronts, IE will stay with us for much, much longer.
Peter
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I believe he was actually a very fond Mac user in his days, but I also
think he would question Apple's current direction strongly.
Peter
On 17/05/10 23:21, Rakesh wrote:
"42" - the gift that keeps on giving.
I'm sure if Douglas was with us today he would have somethin
ize for a
statistic.
I personally think most people who want to save money on software
licenses use pirated copies of Windows. I use Linux for the better
product and better service.
Peter
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if I would like Apple products, I would not buy them, no matter what
they cost.
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browsers.
Not that I consider Flash a good thing, but that view you present
doesn't seem to match reality too well. But maybe that was intended :-)
Peter
On 13/05/10 04:07, CKoerner wrote:
"full web" is the support of HTML/CSS standards as was laid out when
the we
e I can think of: an Exchange replacement that is less
pain than Exchange itself. Or alternatively: a decent groupware client
that supports Exchange seamlessly. AFAIK neither exists.
Peter
If you want a server, it's a totally different story, you can setup
LAMP stack in no time, where as
ates in the Java world.
If you want FP-free Java you have to take "Strategy" out of your pattern
box, and also remove ActionListener and any similar interfaces. The
people who ask for closures mostly want a nicer solution to exactly this
class of problems.
Peter
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the whole Linux idea
ridiculous not long ago. Most still decide against it (the MS Office
lock in being a common reason), but at least the idea is taking serious.
And I have converted some, none of which ever looked back.
Peter
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issues will be the ones that expect everything to be
100% like Windows.
I don't have an opinion on Windows 7 yet, I had only brief encounters so
far.
End rant. Sorry.
Peter
On 28/04/10 09:09, opinali wrote:
On 27 abr, 09:45, Christian Edward Gruber
wrote:
Hahahahahahahaha
nd it
integrates the ticket and wiki updates into the same stream. And you can
browse the source code with all the version history right in place. Even
if you don't use the wiki or ticket system, I find installing trac a
worthwhile thing to do.
Peter
On 27/04/10 03:19, Artie Peshimam w
went
wrong when the liberal parties around the world forgot about this
distinction and turned capitalistic instead.
Peter
On 26/04/10 07:42, Frederic Simon wrote:
Seeing the latest discussion on patent law and the feedback on the
latest podcast, I wanted to share an experience I had with Joe
some admin can be used. I don't
think most business folks want to know about merging and WebDAV won't
let them do it properly anyway. I guess you could tell them to use the
old school naming patterns if in doubt, but that means at least the
conflict needs to be detected first.
Pe
entirely lost due to concurrent updates and resulting overwrites.
But if you aim at a non-dev crowd I'd seriously look for alternatives.
Peter
On 24/04/10 23:43, Edward Gabriel Moraru wrote:
Be aware that the business people sometimes edit the same document,
and SVN/TortoiseSVN doesn&#
On 24/04/10 21:30, Eric Jablow wrote:
On Apr 23, 7:46 pm, Peter Becker wrote:
But let's think more practical. Number one I would sell is the move from
CVS to SVN. CVS is just too scary due to it's lack of atomic commits.
The consistent revision number across the repository is an
environment is much less conservative:
we are developing products for scientist at a university, some
colleagues are pretty conservative, but since we have lots of
independent small projects things can move at varying speeds.
Peter
On 23/04/10 22:43, Vince O'Sullivan wrote:
My current
ering. Color range might be more interesting
-- although I guess that depends on the type of show. Actually: the
pitch range could help, too. I think you'd probably still anchor it on
the time the logo appears, but then use some heuristic for going backwards.
Peter
On 23/04/10 06:50, Ke
sense to do your own encodings,
although I suspect that older CDs might be a good starting point.
Peter
On 22/04/10 23:49, Kevin Wright wrote:
The OP wasn't comparing vinyl to CD, he was comparing vinyl to
whatever compressed format iTunes served up (presumably AAC or MP3)
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f a famous person might not be a good idea at all.
There are arguments for one-based indexing (matches externally expected
behaviour, matches expectation of the un-trained) and a lot of the
arguments for general superiority of zero-based seem either weak or
specific to a particular view. If zero
Reinier,
you very conveniently pick pieces. Let me show you inline...
On 17/04/10 13:16, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
replies inline.
On Apr 17, 2:15 am, Peter Becker wrote:
Traditionally zero is not a natural number.
Who cares about natural numbers?
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