means far too costly and that has other negative
effects. I value being able to throw away code for something better. TDD
creates a lock-in where I’m less able to do that.
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PS ok, I often agree with Cedric but
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Sorry, I didn't mean use of regex.. I meant using the regex classes themselves
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On 2013-04-15, at 7:38 AM, Bruce Chapman brucechap...@paradise.net.nz wrote:
If what we write first is the simplist thing that might work, then I'd
suggest comments should explain code
level information
being included in the javadoc it would be reachable to most even if the
code were 100% readable... which is rarely ever is.
-- Kirk
On 2013-04-14, at 8:15 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote:
Imagine a world where all the standard Javadoc (e.g. java.util.collections
On 2013-03-20, at 9:58 AM, Martijn Verburg martijnverb...@gmail.com wrote:
Booth babes are strongly discouraged at Devoxx conferences - they're not
something we want encouraged in the industry, period.
REALLY Then I'm not going!
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It would be better for the thing to not exist at all
that you spend
time testing those things that rely on {Soft/Weak/Phantom/Final}Reference and
things like that.
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On 2013-01-30, at 4:49 AM, Bik Dhaliwal bik_dhali...@yahoo.com wrote:
Out group at my company is considering using the Zing JVM from Azul,
it promises zero GC pauses
nicely so I suspect that it would run on this notebook
also. I also see that things like Raspberry Pi being very disruptive to those
that markets that don't need full powered laptops or desktops. So, is the
Chromebook part of that disruption?
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On 2013-01-16, at 5:31 AM, Fabrizio Giudici
What is the deal on the Chromebooks.
Are they picking up traction?
What do they really look like? Linux?
are they worth exploring?
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I use java on the desktop and ask anyone.. I'm completely unmanageable.
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On 2012-10-19, at 10:44 PM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Fabrizio Giudici
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
I know there are green screen scrapers in many places. So
I've posted my slides @ slideshare.
- Kirk
On 2012-10-02, at 8:29 AM, Simon Ochsenreither simon.ochsenreit...@gmail.com
wrote:
Do you have any links, slides, videos, talks etc.?
Haven't seen anything yet. At least the videos are not yet available afaik.
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sorry to say but mountain lion suxs
On 2012-09-27, at 10:34 PM, Sven Reimers sven.reim...@gmail.com wrote:
The Oracle builds will not install on Snow Leopard... (not supported by
Oracle)
So stay with the OpenJDK Builds from Henri Gomez, or go for Mountain Lion.
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On Thu, Sep
I wouldn't run a profiler in prod. What I would do is trigger a heap dump on
the OOME and then use MAT to find the source of the leak. I might then
instrument the app to sort out details.
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On 2012-09-26, at 11:29 AM, Rakesh rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote:
considering the target
for a leak.
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On 2012-09-09, at 9:02 PM, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
I knew I should've chosen bigfoot instead. :)
On Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:47:29 PM UTC+2, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
I think you might be mixing Elvis and Object Oriented Programming up. Elvis
was real
heap to dynamically
change the size of a stack frame and although we can do that for stuff in Java
heap... I don't know how you'd do it generically in C heap. But again, this
problem would be mute if proper support for recursion was put into the JVM.
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baked idea they need
more time for it in the oven. Seems logical so far. So, do I wish they'd made
the deadline? Yes but... not at the expense of a half baked solution.
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On 2012-07-18, at 11:30 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Jan Goyvaerts java.arti...@gmail.com
Oh man how soon the lessons of history are forgotten. In the shops I was in the
mantra was, Smalltalk servers, Java front ends and who in their right mind
would use C++ for any of this. I guess we all now know how that worked out ;-)
On 2012-06-24, at 8:15 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
On Sat,
and the same GPL + CPE license. No problems with the copyright,
maybe problems with patents (the old discussion about whether GPLv2 protects
enough or not).
Isn't this essentially what google did?
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An API has two consumers, those that provide the implementation and those that
use the implementation. How can a copyright only apply to one and not the other?
Kirk
On 2012-05-07, at 10:02 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:56 PM, phil swenson phil.swen...@gmail.com wrote
I think you'll see a headless version come very quickly.
Kirk
On 2012-03-07, at 10:47 AM, Jan Goyvaerts wrote:
Does somebody know what JVM can run on a Raspberry Pi ? Or maybe somebody in
here already made it work ?! :-)
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I think you'll see a headless version come very quickly.
Kirk
On 2012-03-07, at 10:47 AM, Jan Goyvaerts wrote:
Does somebody know what JVM can run on a Raspberry Pi ? Or maybe somebody
in here already made it work
I found a nice place to stand and prop up my laptop on my recent flight from
Abu Dhabi to Sydney... it was surprisingly comfortable to stretch out and code.
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On 2012-03-01, at 12:08 PM, Fabrizio Giudici wrote:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:01:46 +0100, Kirk Pepperdine
kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote:
On the question of Strings, StringBuffer/Builder and copying char arrays.
Sorry to say that this is still a huge performance drain in many
ASCIIString, UTF8String, and so on. Might even be able to get
rid of utility classes like StringBuilder and StringBuffer...
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On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote:
I never really had a big problem with String being final
.
If String wasn't final, it would obviously not be immutable, duh.
I can protect the underlying char[] without making the class final. Making the
class final kills all chance of extending which denies developers of the tools
that OO brings to the table.
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On 2012-03-01, at 4:04 PM, Carl Jokl wrote:
I think it may cause complications protecting the internal character
array if String is not final. I suppose the character array could be
declared private and final
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On 2012-03-01, at 4:27 PM, Carl Jokl wrote:
In that case then it may be better to live with the immutability and
the performance and memory impact of that.
On Mar 1, 3:23 pm, Kirk Pepperdine kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2012-03-01, at 4:17 PM, Carl Jokl wrote:
Doesn't
... generally there is no
chance for a transactional conflict so it's always puzzling to see people use
heavy transactional resources to manage state.
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On 2012-01-26, at 3:29 PM, James Ward wrote:
The typical approach to scaling out the web tier of Java apps has been to use
a load
Thanks for the kind words Martijn. Sorry for the shameless commercial plug but
I have a schedule on my blog kirk.blog-city.com
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Kirk
On 2012-01-26, at 3:00 PM, Steel City Phantom wrote:
LOL, yea, let me figure out how im going to word the training request to get
a trip to Crete
polgot programming.. well who knows wft that is but I do see more people
using more langauges on the JVM.
Kirk
On 2012-01-21, at 5:21 PM, Alex Turner wrote:
I have rarely worked somewhere where enough folks on the team had overlap in
more than the core skill set. Ancillary tools
Little says, add transactions and forget about throughput. Also, if you go rely
on memory only, you need redundancy. In fact, for these types of systems, you
always need redundancy. POS terminals won't be safe as they will lack
redundancy.
Regards,
Kirk
On 2012-01-09, at 1:15 AM, Kevin Wright
regards,
Kirk
On 2012-01-06, at 4:11 PM, Rakesh wrote:
ok, so lets say its a lottery application.
That means in the run up to the big draw on Saturday night its likely
to get insanely busy!
I can't see a way around not needing transactions but if there is a
way, please elaborate.
R
be surprising).
Regards,
Kirk
On 2012-01-06, at 1:25 PM, Kevin Wright wrote:
It's hard to answer without more information, especially regarding data
retention requirements (hint: things can be made a lot faster if you don't
have to keep persisting them to disk)
General principles though
I think all the points are good.. they just lack context.. and so not all of
them are going to fit..
Kirk
On 2012-01-06, at 3:18 PM, Robert Casto wrote:
All these technology ideas are great but what is the task that all these
people will be doing in such a short time frame?
Can you avoid
. And, Akka plays
beautifully with Java as well.
Regards,
Kirk
On 2012-01-03, at 12:47 PM, Kevin Wright wrote:
What version of Akka are you evaluating, and what's your time to market?
If it's far enough away, your best bet is to look at the M2 release of Akka
2.0. In particular, the Event Bus
what I was suggesting were internal changes that should not have any effect on
the API…
Kirk
On 2012-01-03, at 1:21 PM, Fabrizio Giudici wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:47:12 +0100, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com
wrote:
What version of Akka are you evaluating, and what's your time
you can't see.. ;-)
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to ask the deeper
questions, how is this really working? How can we tell? What adjustments can we
make to increase cooperation between app and CPU?
Happy New Year,
Kirk
On 2011-12-29, at 2:34 PM, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
And/or try to apply some of what you learn in your job, obviously
being sure
… but this year I hear more interest in
hardware….
People just learning more about the tools of our trade…
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A+
Osvaldo
On Thursday, December 1, 2011 7:36:04 AM UTC-5, KWright wrote:
Sure you can. The so-called placement new[1] allows you exact control over
where you stick your objects.
There are also various implementations available, such as pool[2], from the
Boost
careful when
reading what Stephen says. He's quite talented at leading you down the
proverbial garden path with the intention of inspiring a very thoughtful
discussion.
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Kirk
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Dick Wall dickw...@gmail.com wrote:
The core messages behind that talk
something, solving some
little problem, presenting an idea.
Regards,
Kirk
On Nov 21, 2011, at 1:32 AM, Bill Wohler wrote:
Speaking of interviewing, what do people think about group interviews?
I love them!
- As an interviewer. You get to see how the candidate fits into the
group. You get
Try Netbeans.
On Nov 2, 2011 8:26 AM, Jan Goyvaerts java.arti...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been appointed to introduce graphical user interface design in my
company. I'm more of an Enterprisy [sic] profile. So I'm a bit lost when it
comes to tools for visual design. It's destined for web
maybe it's just me but I felt more excitement as this years event than in the
previous few.
Regards,
Kirk
On Oct 23, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Chris Koerner wrote:
I thought it was just me when I didn't even want to bother listening to the
live stream of the event. In many ways Oracle Java is about
Certainly the excitement in Java this year had to be about JVM performance and
JavaFX. JavaFX finally feels real.
Kirk
On Oct 23, 2011, at 9:17 PM, Sean Comerford wrote:
I agree with both sides.
Tech geeks always want to be on the cutting edge / cool tech. 10 years ago,
that WAS java
framework; exactly where parallelism belongs.
Kirk:
Unsafe direct memory modification bypasses all the managed runtime safety
guarantees and security features of the Java language. No bounds checks. No
memory overwrite checks, etc. And it adds unnecessary complexity. As far as I
can see
on scalability.
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1990s.
I disagree, to use one model in exclusion to all others is dogma. Java supports
mutability but it also nicely supports other techniques.
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everything without having to play games with pointers in Java.
Kind regards,
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On Oct 22, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Edward Harned wrote:
I missed addressing the Unsafe class usage. First of all, why do you think
they call it Unsafe? If you’re not familiar with the Class
Specification, we're stuck with unsafe.
Regards,
Kirk
On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:49 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
I can retort a few of these, but certainly not all of it.
--Exceedingly Complex--
Yes, but, complaining that F/J (ab)uses com.sun.misc.Unsafe is just stupid,
in my opinion. The whole point
putting distance between immutable fields and shared mutable fields causes them
to show up in difference cache lines. Reads from different threads won't cause
cache line flushing.
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Kirk
On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:56 AM, ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't followed this very well
is needed and can commit to delivering on that
commitment.
Regards,
Kirk
On Oct 17, 2011, at 11:15 PM, phil swenson wrote:
I've never seen hiring people in other countries to work as remote members of
a team work well. Add in time zone differences, language barriers, crappy
phone systems, and your
In this webinar, Heinz Kabutz will go searching for a memory leak in a
piece of code written by Kirk Pepperdine. No idea whether Heinz will find
it using his usual approach, so come and you might be able to have a nice
laugh at his expense.
Title: Live Memory Leak Hunt
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011
It's shaping up very nicely
On Sep 9, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
Here is the (apparently) final decision, from Brian.
Examples:
x = x + 1
(x) = x + 1
(int x) = x + 1
(int x, int y) = x + y
(x, y) = x + y
(x, y) = { System.out.printf(%d + %d = %d%n,
Cedric,
+1, measure of error and a fine one at that!
On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 8:44 AM, martin oder...@gmail.com wrote:
As an antidote to Tiobe:
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Scala%2C+f%23l=
This shows Scala at 0.02% of the jobs
Brilliant because now MS and Nokia no longer take the pr hit for patent
trolling.. awesome
Regards,
Kirk
On Sep 2, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/nokia-microsoft-tap-mosaid-to-handle-huge-patent-trove/article2149827/
Basically
. But you're clearly not looking for any of the skills that I have to
offer and I doubt you'd hire me because of that.
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My question is, what is new and innovative about touch screens. I seem to
recall using them prior to the iPhone's existance. OH. I see, someone married
and already existing technology with an already existing technology. So
un-obvious
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On Aug 22, 2011, at 9:12 AM
for damages.. so even
better. And face it, the real reason everyone here is annoyed is because we're
not able to troll ourselves. No?
Unless groups (like this one) start taking action, demanding the system be
fixed, this is just whining and quite frankly it's kind of boring.
Regards,
Kirk
.
Regards,
Kirk
On Aug 22, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Karsten Silz wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:52 am, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote:
My question is, what is new and innovative about touch screens. I seem to
recall using them prior to the iPhone's existance. OH. I see, someone
married and already
How about deploying Oracle RDB?
Regards,
Kirk
On Aug 17, 2011, at 6:32 AM, Michael Neale wrote:
I mean that the JVM isn't special in deployment - there are many
other systems that have to be dealt with - but it is one of the most
problematic.
The explanations to do with GC implementation
.
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Kirk
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, tablet, desktop,.. what ever.. but some expert
some where as looked into the issues of how to get that done. The more complex
the system, the more one off or customized the deployment, the more expertise
is needed.
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Kirk
On Aug 15, 4:52 pm, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote
,
Kirk
On Aug 15, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Matthew Farwell wrote:
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If an implementation was not constrained by requiring a contiguous heap and
there was plenty of resources available, then a reasonable action could be
to reserve more memory from the OS
model and intricate details about
generations and collector strategies.
there are so many things wrong with this statement I'm not even going to start.
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I've been in many trenches and trust me, the way to go in is with all your
toys.. and if you don't have them you've no business in the trench.
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On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Casper Bang wrote:
there are so many things wrong with this statement I'm not even going to
start.
Heh
tuned for their JVM. Nothing wrong
with this but
I could go on.
Regards,
Kirk
On Aug 13, 2011, at 1:25 PM, mgkimsal wrote:
Why, then, on my JVM web app, when I specify -Xmx2g, do I see a Java
process
eating up 10g on my system? -Xmx doesn't seem to honor anything I
give it -
it just
+1, @ least 75% if the Oracle vs Google case is typical.
On Aug 10, 2011, at 10:50 PM, Jess Holle wrote:
Until the patent office can figure out how to judge real innovation and
uniqueness in a software patent it should stop issuing any. They should also
declare that existing software
.
Gee, I've never seen that happen ;-) 'cept for the time when the small company
I was working for was being sued. Legal was ~400k / month and this went on for
close to a year before the company finally went bankrupt. But to be honest, it
wasn't the suite that bankrupted to company
Kirk
to a different arbitration/review process. And the patent
office needs to bear some of the responsibility for this mess.
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Kirk
On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:45 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com
wrote:
Non-transferable is even
this post seems too personally directed IMHO.
Regards,
Kirk
On Aug 9, 2011, at 3:18 AM, phil swenson wrote:
Yes, giant companies aren't hurt too badly by patents. They pay off
the trolls. They build patent hoards for counter-suits.
I still don't see why software needs patents? We
+1, I disagree with Cedric all the time but I still like him ;-)
Kirk
On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.com
wrote:
He is the right-wing version of a techie.
I'm used to having people disagreeing with me
that their competitors had *not* paid and then they realized that
they were able to offer better indemnity that their competitors were not able
to. So now, in a very perverse twisted way of thinking, they turned paying the
troll into an advantage.
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be to put a
stipulation that the owner has to be making some effort to use the patent or
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The real reason that software should not be patentable is that it is a recipe
in that code specifies how to combine hardware to achieve a particular result.
It's like baking a cake but instead of shortening and flour you combine
registers
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of, nor do they care about PR
or just about anything else... only the lifestyle this broken system is going
to fund for them.
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On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2011 4:03:01 PM UTC+2, kirk wrote:
This is just a hunch, but, perhaps FOSS projects are more popular than
normal because of the patent system. It's much more difficult to sue the
_creator_ of a FOSS project
On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 16:03 +0200, Kirk wrote:
[ . . . ]
Long story short, this is not a nice system and the people playing are
in it for the money and they don't give rats ass about you or your
project or your IP or the guy or company
all that well. The countries that created a better climate for small
businesses are much better off.
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as easy as it seems. Which brings me back
to TestNG. How much protection to do you have and how many copies of it are
there? My guess in goose egg on both counts.
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On Aug 8, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
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2011/8/8 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
I've found this to be true in the other direction as well: people who want
to completely abolish the current system without
of putting it into patent protection it was put into
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Sorry, it's not a red herring.. patent trolls will still go after you and just
shut you down if they figure out what you're doing.
Kirk
On Aug 8, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote:
Copying isn't as easy as it seems
I don't think this is a denial of the bug, it's just that out of the blocks
there is a huge amount of FUD about a problem that the Lucene guys could have
looked at quite a while ago.
Regards,
Kirk
On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Mark Derricutt wrote:
If it was just a broken lucene then maybe
dozens a clients per year).
Bottom line, everyone knew it was coming the builds were freely avaliable.
I've been using 7 on my Mac for months so I don't have much sympathy in
this case.
Regards,
Kirk
On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:53 AM, opinali wrote:
Yes that looks clear from the article. How
+1
On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Mark Derricutt wrote:
When you install Lion there is no Java -preinstalled-.
However, if you run any java application, or run java from the command line
then Lion will prompt you, and automatically install java for you, then run
the application you
I don't know.. I still see client Java being used all over the place. In fact I
just got off a call from lead that who's client is pure Java. I know many more
similar cases.
Regards,
Kirk
On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Carl Jokl carl.j
shameful sensationalist headline. The next line is, what I do care about is the
JVM. It's been like that for many people for quite some time.
Kirk
On Jun 30, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Mario Fusco mario.fu...@gmail.com wrote:
Most people talk
to make it any harder?
Regards,
Kirk
On Jun 24, 2011, at 12:29 AM, Chris Adamson wrote:
Looking at the TSS article, I'm surprised it took over an hour for the
personal attacks to show up in the comments. I remember the OSGi
community being much quicker to anger than that.
On Jun 23, 4:22 pm
at the code but without voice I'm hard pressed to guess at the
OSGi message here.
Kirk
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sorting out the complexities
for you.
Regards,
Kirk
On Jun 21, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Steve Lindsay wrote:
On Jun 21, 3:01 am, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, I'm not against immutability, it just seems that we've all picked up
on that sound bite and have forgotten all of the other
an object take responsibility for it's
internal state takes care of a lot of problems. Just look at actors.
Regards,
Kirk
On Jun 21, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Kevin Wright wrote:
On 21 June 2011 03:40, Steve Lindsay stephen.a.lind...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 21, 3:01 am, Kirk kirk.pepperd
wow and congrats on the first release... where did you find the time ;-)
Kirk
On Jun 21, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Dick Wall wrote:
Thanks to ptillemans - https://github.com/ptillemans - the
documentation is now much improved on the subcut project - it's the
same information, but it looks nice
Heinz and I had so much fun on the first webinar and we had a number of
requests for more and I've got a ton more materials so we've decided to hold
part II of how to read GC logs.
Here is the URL to register.
http://www.javaspecialists.eu/forum/showthread.php?p=936
Regards,
Kirk
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not against immutability, it just seems that we've all picked up on
that sound bite and have forgotten all of the other colors that make the world
interesting.
Regards,
Kirk
On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Dick Wall wrote:
Hi Kirk
On Jun 17, 5:58 am, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote
for (;true;) {}
shorter and also burns cycles ;-)
Kirk
On Jun 17, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Weiqi Gao wrote:
I just finished listening to #354, in which Dick Wall calls for another round
of the Strangest Loop Competition to win tickets to the Strange Loop 2001
Conference in St. Louis, MO, USA
complicated than straight up immutability but then we don't have to be
geniuses like Doug, Cliff, Brian, Rich, Guy we just need to learn how to
ride on the coat sleeves of these guys.
Regards,
Kirk
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