And while we're at it.. an iPad is a portable computer with a design that well.. already existed on the desktop for quite some time.. so they just made it small enough to easily cart about and well, that touch screen thing again. Something we had in Newton, Palm and a number of other devices pre-iPad. It suggests an evolutionary advancement has taken place that Apple has been the beneficiary of yet now they want to just trim that evolutionary branch but poisoning it with patents (from a broken patent system). Like I mentioned before the Google Oracle evidence suggests that more than 75% of all patents probably shouldn't have been issued in the first place. The problem is, once issued, it's difficult for a large company to have them struck down and almost impossible for a small one or an individual to do so.
As for trolling, my final comment is, I doubt that it was the intention of those that setup the patent system that companies would or could create a business model out of awards from the courts for damages for patent violations. I have to admit it's a brilliant business model in that awards for damages are not taxable as it's not income.. it's compensation for damages.. so even better. And face it, the real reason everyone here is annoyed is because we're not able to troll ourselves. No????? Unless groups (like this one) start taking action, demanding the system be fixed, this is just whining and quite frankly it's kind of boring. Regards, Kirk On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Kevin Wright wrote: > > > On 22 August 2011 08:52, Kirk <kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com> wrote: > My question is, what is new and innovative about touch screens. I seem to > recall using them prior to the iPhone's existance. OH. I see, someone married > and already existing technology with an already existing technology. So > un-obvious !!!! > > Regards, > Kirk Pepperdine > > > Quite! The LG Prada[1] predates the original iPhone[2] by a good year. > > Apple is frequently held up as the company that everyone else copies, but > they're really not as unique and innovative as seems to be claimed in such > discussions. > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850) > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(original) > > > > On Aug 22, 2011, at 9:12 AM, hlovatt wrote: > > > I agree with Carl (Posse) and Karsten (forum), the iPhone was > > revolutionary when it came out and the other phones have copied far > > more from the iPhone than Apple have copied from other phones. There > > are plenty of ways people could make a phone that isn't like an > > iPhone; so the obvious question is why don't they? The answer is that > > finding something that is different and is at least as good takes > > time, talent, and energy and hence copying is cheaper. Therefore I > > think Apple are perfectly entitled to defend their investment in all > > that design and engineering talent they have. > > > > You may not like the current Patent/Copyright laws, but that is > > irrelevant, these laws are all anyone, Apple included, have to work > > with and hence they use them as best they can. I think the laws need > > updating, Apple may well also think the laws needed updating, but the > > law is the law and everyone has to abide by them. This isn't a case of > > Goliath Apple crushing the little guy, it is a far fight with both > > sides well resourced and therefore the court is the proper place for > > the dispute to be settled. > > > > I should disclose that I have a number of patents and two of these > > have earned my employer a few, 2 or 3, million dollars over the years, > > therefore I am an indirect beneficiary of patents since they have > > added to the financial stability of the company I work for and I have > > used the licence fees obtained from these patents as a point in favour > > of promotions I have applied for and received. I have not received any > > direct benefit, i.e. I have not received a cut of the fees > > (unfortunately :( ). > > > > On Aug 22, 7:03 am, Karsten Silz <karsten.s...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Tor: "Android didn't copy the iPhone" > >> If we can believe Gizmodo, then the first Android prototypes looked > >> like Blackberries before Android started following the iPhone (http:// > >> random.andrewwarner.com/what-googles-android-looked-like-before-and- > >> after-the-launch-of-iphone). To me, there's nothing wrong with being a > >> "fast follower" as Google is - and Apple certainly copies from other > >> sources, too (iOS 5 is full of this). Bonus point: Tablets didn't all > >> look like that certain tablet either (http://twitpic.com/67ykpa). > >> > >> Dick: "How many different ways are there to present icons and buttons > >> and pixels on a screen" > >> Look no further than Microsoft Zune music player / Windows Phone 7: > >> That does look unlike anything else on smartphones > >> (http://www.riagenic.com/archives/487). Of all companies, Microsoft with a > >> innovative UI - the irony! > >> > >> Dick: "Apple started the smartphone patent wars" > >> Nokia started it - they sued Apple in October 2009 > >> (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/oct/22/telecoms-nokia). Apple > >> "only" > >> sued HTC in March 2010 (http://technologizer.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues- > >> htc/). > >> > >> Logitech Revue > >> More Revue units were returned by customers than being sold in the > >> last quarter (http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File? > >> item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MTAxNTAzfENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1, top of page 7). > >> So lowering the price seems like a firesale to me to clear out > >> inventory. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Kevin Wright > mail: kevin.wri...@scalatechnology.com > gtalk / msn : kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com > quora: http://www.quora.com/Kevin-Wright > google+: http://gplus.to/thecoda > twitter: @thecoda > vibe / skype: kev.lee.wright > steam: kev_lee_wright > > "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not > regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current > conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of > the ledger" ~ Dijkstra > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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