[The Java Posse] a totally new language

2010-09-07 Thread Ruben Reusser
hi there, now I know you guys like languages a lot and are constantly debating if there is a replacement language for java. The whole discussion has been bugging me for a while and I always thought it would be necessary for a new language to bring something to the table that java does offer but

Re: [The Java Posse] a totally new language

2010-09-07 Thread Ruben Reusser
what makes it sound like a 4gl language? how about if for example method calls can be restfull or directly linked with the language being able to expose the call to the outside world and the concept of security built in to the language to begin with (say these requests are only allowed from within

Re: [The Java Posse] a totally new language

2010-09-07 Thread Kevin Wright
A 4GL is any language that's specialised for a particular function, and abstracts around tasks necessary to perform that function. By focussing on REST, you're specialising for web services. This isn't a language that would be used for a washing machine controller, or for managing a nuclear

Re: [The Java Posse] a totally new language

2010-09-07 Thread Ruben Reusser
looks like I was not clear enough in that case - the language should be broad, not focusing just on rest. The goal would really be to build a language that promotes writing application building blocks and tying them together - weather it's a desktop application or a web application. The idea is

Re: [The Java Posse] a totally new language

2010-09-07 Thread Vineet Sinha
Not that what you suggest does not make sense, but JAX-RS does provide amazing Rest support. I can imagine a custom made language being a little easier to use than Java + JAX-RS but not that much better. Perhaps the question really is: what should be the most important trait to add to a new

Re: [The Java Posse] a totally new language

2010-09-07 Thread Ruben Reusser
I'm aware that there is great frameworks around in java to help you do good rest application. Back in the C/C++ time we also had good frameworks to deal with sockets, etc. Still, when thinking back for me at least java was a welcome relieve that such a fundamental function in the new world was