still 'open'.
-David Waite
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Saint-Andre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [JDEV] MSN and Yahoo legal?
> Bill Ataras wrote:
>
> > Can someone tell me if
as well.
Why not have an avatar profile, where you list different images for a client to
optionally show for different states. This could be just a collection of http
links for grabbing png images.
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believe jsm/modules/mod_xml.c) to see if you could just tack into that.
-David Waite
Maciek Borowka wrote:
> Hello,
> We have developped our version of xdb module that fits our particular needs.
> We have our own jabber client also (OK, we are going to have ;+).
>
> Now, we would
send file transfers through the server when necessary.
>
ICQ most definately does not allow you to send files through their servers. I do not
know about Yahoo.
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How is this different than the WebDAV support in Winjab? Just that the
server refers you to a file server?
-David Waite
Chuck Wegryzn wrote:
> That is correct.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Todd Bradley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Presence probes only work if the 'from' user is on the 'to' user's roster with a
subscription type of 'from' or 'both'.
And of course, clients are never supposed to do probes themselves.
-David Waite
Jens Alfke wrote:
> A Jabber user has t
cribe while a(n) [un]subscribe request is
pending. There are also extra fields in the server .xml file per user, but those are a
server implementation deal.
-David Waite
Jens Alfke wrote:
> I'm still confused about the server-side roster. Is the roster entity that's managed
>
ses a socket for the connection - in that case
I'd recommend tossing that in the /etc/hosts file. Clients will speak to
jud.vkhdli08.hda.hydro.com through the server, so they won't need to know the
IP themselves.
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The most recent files that I know of are in
http://core.jabber.org/rfc
-David Waite
Iain Shigeoka wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have seen that J. Miller submitted a draft of the Jabber protocol to the
> IETF Instant Messaging and Presence Protocol Working group. The IETF has
> apparen
Releases for any project not 'core' to the server are released on an independant
release schedule, which is totally up to the discression of the project
maintainer.
I would assume this is still Lubos Pochman?
-David Waite
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Well, xdb_odbc is a separat
If you scroll down that page, you will see text style, font family, etc. being
required attributes. Yes, CSS :-)
-David Waite
Jens Alfke wrote:
> On Friday, April 6, 2001, at 09:44 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>
> As you can see there is support for instead of the evil ,
>
sting way
to get the IP for a user in your roaster. A proposal would need to be made for
something like this.
-David Waite
Ugur wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm using jabbercom for my client. I want to know IP adresses of users in my roaster
>(for user with netmeeting). How can I get IP address
Hmm, that is odd. I don't see why that should be required - assuming you
are registering the user before you authenticate, you should still be set
up to authenticate immediately after.
-David Waite
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Yes, the basically defines the session, so registering a ne
I keep hearing this statistic, but never a source :-)
As far as I know, AIM still has 10x the users of MSN Messenger.
-David Waite
Robert Temple wrote:
> I've heard from a source at Yahoo that they have had their part
> of IMUnified ready to go for a while, they are justing
err- this isn't required :-)
-David Waite
Jens Alfke wrote:
> On Monday, April 9, 2001, at 04:35 PM, Steve Dekorte wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
>
> Yes. You didn't send an XML header before your open "" tag. You were
&g
ay or some such number, it would be unlikely they would consider this
to a viable advertising method.
-David Waite
Jens Alfke wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 11, 2001, at 09:02 AM, Thomas Parslow (PatRat) wrote:
>
> why do you think it will become an issue if the user itself is ca
oading and running the jud. Both of these were in the JSM
configuration, so the service was never being loaded.
-David Waite
DJ Adams wrote:
> Hi Ørjan
>
> In case you are still struggling (I don't see any further msgs in this
> thread) - I'll put in my two pence
>
whoop, don't know how that one slipped through the cracks. It is fixed
now in CVS.
It actually lost it on the send (never transmitted)
-David Waite
Matt Diez wrote:
>
>
> Yep,
> I'm probably going to hell for not reporting this through the proper
>
> channel
alian translation for the instructions would return
english.
A non-english client would need to also take the registration field names
(the tag names) which are predefined and represent them correctly in
whatever language within the client.
-David Waite
_
*grin* I still like my way more :-)
-David Waite
Ted Rolle wrote:
> JA> Maybe the tag for
> JA> the default language could be sent both first and last :-)
>
> I was just thinking exactly the same thing! :-)))
>
> AARRGGHHH! Redundant data. We're in troub
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allowed you to stalk people
in these ways. I would proposal a method where you are only online to a
select group of people period; people who were not in your group would not
receive *or* show any presence.
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/2000 or 2) review
the code for drawing-context leaks.
-David Waite
Dillip Kumar Swain wrote:
Hi
I have an application which has serious memory leakage
. It gradually
eats up total systems resources in 2-3 Hrs. Causing
other application
lose their toolbars, change in font etc. When i close
1-2 (other
a
the 8-bit character if you design a multi-byte
encoding around UTF8 and XML, but it probably won't be worth it. base64 works as-is.
-David Waite
Keith Minkler wrote:
> That is not a karma problem..
>
> your karma settings are rather high, and would not interfere with a data
parent
tag. there is no element as a child of iq, and no element as a child of
message or presence.
-David Waite
Jens Alfke wrote:
> According to the examples in the JPO [1.6.5], the results of jabber:iq:browse
>queries have a weird/nonstandard structure. The node has direct
>child
this next draft as well - just a note that rooms
aren't required to disappear when everyone leaves. Eventually I'd like to see the
persistant rooms have a singular "room owner" who can eventually destroy it, and
server administrator functions to create or destroy these rooms.
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Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> David Waite wrote:
>
> > I'm currently working on a new draft for 'Generic Conferencing'
>
> In other words, if you have ideas for what conferencing should do, feed
> 'em to Mr. Waite. :)
>
You can also post things to
or, as an alternative:
Do you want to support the jabber 'server to server' protocol on your own server
so it can impersonate a jabber server, masquerade its users as jabber users, and
allow the local users to send messages out to jabber users?
-David Waite
temas wrote:
> Just
Hmm, JabberCOM doesn't support dual interfaces? If it does, you should just be
able to call raw functions on the COM objects.. but since it is written in
Delphi, its probably dependant on whether Delphi itself supports dual
interfaces.
-David Waite
Thomas Charron wrote:
> From: &qu
r protocol, and possibly define some
standards for intraserver
protocol (for different server implementations to be capable of sharing the same
components)
-David Waite
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > I've been wondering why the Jabber Server hasn't been implemented in other
>lan
I believe update.jabber.org is on that machine - the server connects
there optionally to get any information on new versions, many clients
also connect there (but may or may not have the option to disable the
traffic) for new version information.
-David Waite
Denny Chambers wrote:
> D
Those are the definitions of those signals in BIND though. They have
different (already used) meaning within Jabber - they are used by pth
(and I believe MIO). They are simply user-defined signals.
-David Waite
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Server feature request, the ability to turn debugg
I was getting output in :-).
If those signals weren't used internally, I agree it would be a really nice feature
to add (you actually only need one signal as a toggle, really). What is SIGUSR2
really used for?
> Kevin
>
> > -David Waite
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
ets are also used to pull
presence information when users come online; I anticipate mapping the
presence system will be your next challenge after the dialback is handled.
-David Waite
>
> -iain
>
>
> __
I'd say the best place to bring this up would be the next Jabber Foundation
meeting.
-David Waite
Ted Rolle wrote:
> Hmmm Jabber.com is getting "protective" about the Jabber name.
>
> The word "jabber" has been in use since the 1500s; The Jabber protocol
ems with the open source
> community continuing to use the "J" word, which obviously wouldn't be in the
> best interests of anyone.
>
Again, I would recommend bringing this up at the next Jabber Foundation meeting,
as its a very important point for that forum to discuss.
Al
*grin* Actually, I think of it as a resource, just like with HTTP.
-David Waite
"Emswiler, Mike" wrote:
Just
my $.02 worth:
It
is an interesting debate.I started
working with jabber some time ago thinking of resource as a location, but
now that I?ve used Jabber more and more,
*grin* it's settled then!
I believe it is resource because that is the name within URI specifications, at
least for HTTP.
-David Waite
Mike Szczerban wrote:
> I like nexus, too... if only because it sounds cool :)
>
> Might be hard for translators, though..
>
> Mike
>
es conferencing and file
> transfer -- or whatever).
10W, 40W, 100W and 140W levels ;-)
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better;
its my understanding that it creates a btree for inodes.
-David Waite
temas wrote:
> Mostly just because it is on the disk. It does do cacheing and other
> things like that so it's not horrid but cacheing does cost RAM. Just
> considerations. Don't know about an
Please keep in mind that the generic conferencing stuff is not done, and some
things (like the jabber:iq:conference namespace) will probably change
dramatically between the first draft and the final product.
-David Waite
Jens Alfke wrote:
> On Thursday, May 17, 2001, at 07:45 AM, DJ Ad
Jens Alfke wrote:
> On Thursday, May 17, 2001, at 11:54 AM, David Waite wrote:
>
> > Please keep in mind that the generic conferencing stuff is not done, and
> > some
> > things (like the jabber:iq:conference namespace) will probably change
> > dramatically between
ne subscription cache', much like there is an offline message cache. It's
very ugly currently; people get into your roster without you actually subscribing
them, and there are extra attributes which aren't part of the 'jabber:iq:roster'
DTD. The client doesn't se
on it, just shoot an email or IM
my way ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
-David Waite
Robert Temple wrote:
Jens,
I completely agree on all 3 points. Hopefully the final conferencing
protocol will work some other way. The current draft seems like its
just IRC wrapped into jabber, sans the ping/pong.-Robert
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ry, yet is extensible with additional
namespaces. I haven't looked at the bXML stuff by the WAP people to know if
this is within their standard.
-David Waite
Jens Alfke wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 22, 2001, at 09:29 AM, Thomas Charron wrote:
>
> > There is also the fact that by l
e binary format,
especially if you had an 'evolving' dictionary; that would increase memory
usage per user.
However, there is still plenty of merit in trying this, and it would probably
be something that someone providing IM to a ton of users would love, because it
would greatly reduce thei
Jens Alfke wrote:
> David Waite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I don't think this last item is there. the LITERAL token (for elements which
> > are not in the DTD) reports an offset in the string table, meaning it needs to
> > be defined beforehand and not
nting the actual 'protocol' being talked.
For instance, some of the jabber DTD would be
...
]>
so these together form the root element.
-David Waite
> --Ivan
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>
I still haven't discovered any way to do SRV lookups from Java; anyone know of
a way?
-David Waite
Jens Alfke wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2001, at 07:50 AM, Marco Romeny wrote:
>
> > said it before, the client can still not find the server without using
Jens Alfke wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 22, 2001, at 11:27 PM, David Waite wrote:
>
> > it looks like textual content of attributes and cdata
> > is handled by the inline strings, but tags have to use LITERAL, which uses
> > an
> > offset into a table.
> >
>
ML', even when it is valid XML but
not a valid Jabber packet. It would be nice to pinpoint down these errors and
give clients something to act on.
-David Waite
Matthew Miller wrote:
> I think you idea is good, except for one thing. The IP address would be a
> bad thing to broadcast l
This was a problem within beta2; upgrading to beta 3 or 4 will fix it.
-David Waite
Amarnath Yara wrote:
> Hi all, I am having problem in handling undeliverable messages. A
> message is undelivered because either the target user does not exist
> or if you try to send a message to a
IMHO it shouldn't be guaranteed, and that order should be represented in
the packets (such as with a sequence identifier in the packet) can be
used to delay processing for sequences that require in-order delivery.
-David Waite
Max Horn wrote:
> At 15:32 Uhr -0700 24.05.2001, Jens Alf
500,000 cached entries, all XMLNodes, for a
guesstimated worst-case size of about 250 MB server memory for the bot
to just be online.
Moral of the story: if you try to solve every problem with a hammer and
a crowbar, you just end up breaking a lot of things ;-)
-David Waite
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Jens Alfke wrote:
> [I've retitled this thread...]
>
> On Friday, May 25, 2001, at 08:50 AM, David Waite wrote:
>
> > IMO, mailservers should break if you try to send to more than ~20 people
> > at a time. Not crash, but refuse to send.
> >
> >
> What
t is wanted.
Theoretically, you might be able to have two separate event
registrations in the broadcasting component to accomplish this, though.
It would go down one list, then go down the other.
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the roster, and delete all data relating to the user. The
first three are pretty simple, the last is very difficult; no mechanism
in place and no simple rules exist to identify what data belongs to a
user.
-David Waite
Lars Petersen wrote:
> I've tried
The only thing which comes to mind right off the bat is that Redhat installed
kaffe, and it is being used instead of Sun's JDK. I have never done testing
with JabberBeans on kaffe.
-David Waite
"Jackson, Aubrey" wrote:
Hello to the group,
I
have a problem with a Java cli
As far as I know, the ownership issues with jpolld were worked out, and
it was open-sourced by jabber.com under the JOSL. I would look at the
licensing info included with the jpolld source.
-David Waite
Matt Diez wrote:
>
>
> I understood jpolld was a jabber.com product.
>
> A
you mean 'jabelin' room, right? no #'s :-)
-David Waite
Dave Smith wrote:
> Greetings all..
>
> For all who are interested, a meeting to discuss development and
> direction of the jabelin project will commence Thursday, 5pm MST-USA.
>
> You can find us on conf
A client has to send available presence in order to be considered available,
receive offline messages, receive presence, etc.
-David Waite
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am writing a simple client in tcl using the tcl jabberlib.
> I can connect, authenticate myself and send messages but i
onal database; this is not standard across server
implementations, and as it is not officially documented anywhere, it could
change in future releases of the jabber.org server :-)
-David Waite
Matt Diez wrote:
Can anyone point me to documentation on
the jabber:xdb:nslist namespace?
Matthew D. Diez
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sing your server for spamming. All the pubsub-like systems in Jabber have the
requirements (up to this point in time, at least) that users must opt-into a
subscription list themselves, and must be allowed to remove themselves from that
list.
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ver, do not
confuse 'powerful scripting language' or 'versatile rule set' to be
something to empower users to get what they want - you might hit every user
need at 70%, rather than getting a few things right and making people
happy. Figure out what people really want to d
Take a look at http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/zerok.html
-David Waite
"Yoong Y. Kim" wrote:
> I'm interested in 'make jabber client'
>
> and I'm looking Winjab's protocol
>
> when Winjab auth to Jabber,
>
> SENT: xmlns
ly secure registration method I've seen so far is Jabber-thru-SSL, and
the server does not enforce any behavior based on the connection being through
or not through SSL (such as limiting plaintext authentication, turning off
registration, not allowing password changes). There is a lot o
21 13:48:23 2001 sessions.c:318 THREAD:SESSION exiting
It looks like the client is disconnecting, not the server - the c2s component
is sending a message to JSM (expertq.com) saying that the socket is closed.
Other than this - no clue
-David Waite
01062114452200.00649@obelix">
Linux platforms.
-David Waite
Micheal Kelly wrote:
>I apologize in advance if this has been asked before. I performed a quick
>scan of the mailing list archives and didn't notice it...
>
>I'm trying to run Jabberd on an Apple G4 Titanium, running YellowDog Linux
>2.0 (I&#x
of specs. I really hope that people
doing the actual implementation work are disciplined enough to document
things they misunderstand :-)
-David Waite
Iain Shigeoka wrote:
>--- Jay Lorenzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>One thing I'd like to throw out here is the possibil
Karthik K H wrote:
>SO MUCH SO FOR YOUR SO CALLED OPEN SOURCE DEVELOPMENT
>he he he he...
>
Geesh, I know.. the thing also requires another proprietary commercial
work called something like 'Windows' as well. They don't even list that
one in the requireme
pre or something.
>
> Thanks
> Ben Szekely
>
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Ugh, this is bug. The DefaultExtension is not leaving entity characters
(& and the like), the parser is translating them. Care to file it?
-Dav
are not being unescaped
back (in the characters(...) SAX callback function). There is an
unescaping function within org.jabber.jabberbeans.XMLData
-David Waite
>
> Ben
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It actually has been up for a week now :-) Try conference.jabber.com.
-David Waite
Robert Temple wrote:
>If I was you, I'd hold off on implementing conferencing until the new
>version is out. Supposedly it was released in the newest JCS just
>yesterday and its being test
In the more recent draft of the protocol, the functionality provided by
'privacy' is always on; iq requests are defined as IQ requests against
the representation of the user within the room, not the account/client
connected.
-David Waite
Ben Zel wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
I believe this is done the same way as with email.
-David Waite
John wrote:
>How do you specify the port jabber is running in
>a "jabber:"-address? My first idea was something like
>"jabber:[@][:][/]"
>but I couldn't find any documentation about th
, this is done doing a jabber:iq:auth request - this means that
if there is nothing to look up using an xdb jabber:iq:auth request, the
account will not work properly.
- David Waite
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>'mod_auth_ldap', and 'xdb_ldap'. Of these, only &#x
Like I said before, this will take a major amount of work in order to do -
pth is cooperatively threaded without the possibility of parrallelism, and
the two core pieces of the jabber.org server (jabberd and jsm) are not
written with this in mind.
-David Waite
-Original Message-
From
service within the jabber.xml
file, and make sure you are creating a conference room on the component
(ie., make sure the server-name is set to be the conferencing component
and not the main jabber server)
-David Waite
Justin Naik wrote:
>I am using the latest stable release for the Jab
Yahoo account and need to be signed up for the (fictional)
yahoo-transport. This is because a yahoo chatroom has no concept of a
Jabber user, and Yahoo users have no way to access a non-Yahoo chatroom
via the Yahoo protocol.
-David Waite
Dillip Kumar Swain wrote:
>Hi All
>I am using
I haven't messed with any roster code in a while, but you may want to
try adding the entry as wanted (with their nickname and groups) with
subscription type='none', then sending the presence subscribe request.
-David Waite
Jens Alfke wrote:
> I'm trying to impro
ation the server installation uses, and most probably the
specific implementation of the server.
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and session data. Presence just isn't
fine-grained enough for that. If we had something fine-grained, you
could just as well serialize the data within the push, rather than
trying to use a hash to save bandwidth.
On a different note, what is the benefit of being able to define
This feature is not in the open-source 'conferencing' module; it is
implemented within the "Text Conferencing" component by Jabber, Inc.,
and has not been standardized (because I have literally ten other JEPs
to propose first).
- David Waite
Dillip Kumar Swain wrote:
&g
y can
literally change at will. It is located on their webservers and
downloaded on use. They can thus change the ToC protocol at will, which
they can't do for millions of deployed binary clients using the native
OSCAR protocol.
-David Waite
prasanta lenka wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>
This could at least be considered correct behavior. What would you
define correct behavior to be?
-David Waite
Benoit Orihuela wrote:
>hi,
>
>>The Jabberd process and/or the conference module sends all response with
>>the name converted to lowercase:
>>
>>NJ::
st an entity? (join chat, view vcard, add to roster, send message
to user)
I personally would prefer the former, but I'm curious what others think :-)
- David Waite
Jens Alfke wrote:
>
> On Friday, September 21, 2001, at 06:23 PM, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
>
> One
> might t
ld be dandy. It might be complaining because there is no handler
registered with the java.net.URLFactory to handle "Jabber:" URIs. (I'm
assuming xerces-j here). I haven't used xerces-J because previous
versions had a quite annoying caching problem which made it totally
unsuita
*how* you use those namespaces. For instance, if you
started the stream off with instead of ,
it would have also broken.
- David Waite
Fabrice DESRE - FT.BD/FTRD/DMI/GRI wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Writing my own client, I found something
>strange in the open source server :
y contain
>to, from, id and type attributes.)
>
>regards,
>
>Benoit.
>
xmlns is not a valid attribute in a DTD - it is a reserved attribute
name, which is normally used for specifying namespaces.
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Fabrice DESRE - FT.BD/FTRD/DMI/GRI wrote:
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David Waite wrote:
Two things:1) the 'to' attribute (as well as the 'id' attribute) are part of thejabber:client namespace.
No. Attributes must explicitly specify namespaces. They d
well put :-)
I would like to know reasons that this is not considered acceptable - I
have plenty of points against it in my mind in the way of backwards
compatiblity and server workload, but no solid points for it.
-David Waite
Jeremie wrote:
>>It seems simply that jabberd is not nam
?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Java itself has UCS2 characters as the native character type. Are you
sending text to the server in UTF-8 encoding?
-David Waite
Actually, there have been several external XDB components. I don't think
there is a dependancy on the implementation of jabberd to require jsm, but
the current implementation of jsm does require it to be run within a
jabberd.
-David Waite
- Original Message -
From: "Peter S
B requests. Should be as in 'I don't really know' - I have never
tried running the xdb_java piece.
-David Waite
Scott Honey wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm currently working with xdb_java (see sourceforge.net for
> downloads), and I've come accross an odd bu
The and values are used for zero-knowledge
authentication, which I don't believe is an official standard. see
http://docs.jabber.org for info.
-David Waite
Dan Bray wrote:
>I'm writing my own special purpose Jabber client and am having trouble with
>the authenticatio
This would be truely wonderful, and is not directly possible with the
proxying behavior of the current transports. In an ideal world where
other IM systems had a server-to-server protocol, this could be directly
possible.
-David Waite
prasanta lenka wrote:
>Hi guys,
> few days ba
is that either/or? :-)
-David Waite
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>In 1.4.2 you can configure jsm with a servicename
>(multiple bcc elements, and can contain any jid) which will blindly carbon-copy the
>bcc'd address with every users presence change. This also validates that ad
on't think this
has been decided. Julian?
-David Waite
Michael Rothwell wrote:
>From: "Julian Missig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>URL highlighting is receiving client-side.
>>
>
>I wonder why it doesn't highlight my URLs then... would my bot need t
ed
characters (compliant XML parsers do the normalization for you).
-David Waite
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packets sit waiting for more compressable data to arrive indefinately.
You could compress each packet individually, but you will lose much of the
repetativeness across packets which could be eliminated.
-David Waite
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