Hello,
It's a long time now (4 days or sth. like that) that I (@jabber.org)
have a s2s problem with people @ myjabber.net. Their server isn't down,
because they say me they are online (but they don't see me online)...
The only information I get from Psi is "Fout in aan-/afwezigheid: Server
conn
Craig Hollabaugh wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 09:44, Mattias Campe wrote:
If I understand it Trillian Pro uses an old protocol and the others
(Psi/Exodus) use the new one (JEP-0065)... plz correct me if I'm wrong.
So I should file a feature request for JEP-0065 on the Trillian forums
Joe Hildebrand wrote:
As far as I know, the MSN service uses MSNP, a proprietary which really
doesn't have anything to do with SIMPLE. The Live Communication Server
(LCS) client uses a proprietary flavor of SIMPLE.
Hypothesis: the SIMPLE work wasn't complete in several areas, so MS had to
roll its
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Mattias Campe wrote:
I like Jabber very much, but file transfer has always been a problem. I
don't have much time (now) to do research on this, but I've tried a JAJC
<-> Trillian Pro, a Psi <-> Exodus and a Psi <-> Trilli
Mattias Campe wrote:
[...]
I've read (more like a "quick look" due to lack of time) the Psi-forums
and what I've read on [1] was "This is a deficiency in the Jabber
protocol, what can I say? I tried to argue for this extension almost two
years ago, but it didn't w
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Mattias Campe wrote:
I like Jabber very much, but file transfer has always been a problem. I
don't have much time (now) to do research on this, but I've tried a JAJC
<-> Trillian Pro, a Psi <-> Exodus and a Psi <-> Trilli
nd ppp0.
I'm sorry I didn't tried to do more tests, but I really don't have the
time now. But I think easy file transfer is a key-thing for a
breakthrough of Jabber. If there wouldn't be any reactions, I pick up on
this later, when I have more time to do some in
, thanks! Still a question: is MSNP10 based on the SIMPLE "standard"?
I place standard between quotes, because I thought that that
specification isn't finished yet...
greetings,
Mattias Campe
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Hello,
I just read the article that Peter Saint-Andre posted in the
news-mailinglist about GAIM [1], where I read:
Gaim's Egan is unapologetic about accessing the public MSN and AOL
networks. "I don't pretend to know anything about law, but I don't think
there's any injustice being done," he t
Dave Jarvis wrote:
Hi, Magnus.
That's odd, it really looks like it should work. Could you post the
relevant parts of your config.log file?
No, I toasted everything and retried the RPM-way.
Got much further this time, alas I get:
ERROR: c2s died. Shutting down server.
I've modified the XML f
Trejkaz Xaoza wrote:
[...]
But to be truly flexible, you would need to use instead of ,
to enable all sorts of objects in the future which currently wouldn't work.
Not to mention you're making it more compatible with the upcoming XHTML 2.0.
I agree on this one. A long, long time ago ;) I had a
Hi,
you guys still seem to be discussing about videoconferencing, no problem
for me, but I don't have the time to read through that thread, although
I'm interested. So if anybody would like to post a summary for me (which
could be handy for everybody), well, then I won't stop you :-).
That's a
Bart van Bragt wrote:
IMO a must read. Also some interesting comments, especially when you are
curious about the perception 'random' (tech) people have about Jabber/XMPP.
And here is the URL:
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/11/27/0014206.shtml?tid=109&tid=126&tid=187&tid=95
(still have to read i
Mattias Campe schreef:
Sebastian Vollnhals schreef:
Hi, Mattias
Am Fre, 2003-10-17 um 13.24 schrieb Mattias Campe:
Hi all,
I'm looking for a webbased Jabber client, running over port 80, so
that I don't have to think about firewalls.
Maybe fenchurch is what you w
Citeren Chris Mullins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> There's a javascript client based on our Framework at:
> http://www.winfessor.com/chat/login.aspx
>
> I'm not sure if it's quite what you're looking for, but I think it's
> pretty darn neat.
It didn't show my contacts, but maybe that isn't implemented
Sebastian Vollnhals schreef:
Hi, Mattias
Am Fre, 2003-10-17 um 13.24 schrieb Mattias Campe:
Hi all,
I'm looking for a webbased Jabber client, running over port 80, so that I don't
have to think about firewalls.
Maybe fenchurch is what you want.
http://fenchurch.jabber
Hi all,
I'm looking for a webbased Jabber client, running over port 80, so that I don't
have to think about firewalls. I hope this exists. Jabber.com used to run a
such a client for @jabber.com users, but I don't find that one anymore.
Greetings,
cobnet
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Justin Karneges schreef:
On Friday 01 August 2003 04:11 pm, Ralph Meijer wrote:
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 12:14:20AM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote:
As a sidenote: wouldn't "End-user" be better then "Use Jabber for IM"?
No. For two reasons:
- Jabber is not only for IM
-
Hi,
because there already is a forum at http://www.jabbernl.org (not yet a
website) and there are plans to make a Belgium site too, I was wondering
if there were other sites. So I checked jabber.org, but there wasn't any
info (that I could find).
Would in be possible to add a section "Localize
Frank Gates wrote:
[...]
Software patents may suck, but they also are reality.
[...]
Not in Europe... and let us hope that is stays that way, also after
September this year [1]...
Mattias
[1] http://swpat.ffii.org/index.en.html#swnplen030626
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David 'TheRaven' Chisnall wrote:
No, a to-fake-script for that would be trivial to write. It just
returns 'a' every time, and if it fails retrys. It will get through in
1/3 of cases, which is more than adequate for spammers. At least with
alphanumericals they only get through 1/36 of the time
wFg-Webber wrote:
OCR = Optical Character Regognition.
Although I dont know why you mentioned using OCR on those
images since they are supposed to be designed specifically to
fool OCR software so it cant correctly read it, and so only
the human user can make it out.
True.
The class I mentione
wFg-Webber wrote:
BTW I really like the idea of sending some image to someone
who wants to
be added to your roster but the main disadvantage of this is that
bots/agents/components will never be able to reply to that :\
Would you like me to send you the OCR script I use to fake my scripts
aroun
David 'TheRaven' Chisnall wrote:
[...]
This would prevent people from easily sending a large number of spam
Jabber messages, although it would have a couple of limitations:
Blind people obviously can not see an image, and so could not recognise
it. An alternative, such as a wave sound of someon
Sebastiaan Deckers wrote:
[...]
Someone in this thread mentioned that S2S dialback will effectively stop
spammers because they would need to identify. But why should they use a
single S2S connection when they can just launch 500 connections to a
random server with open registration (eg. jabber.
Bart van Bragt wrote:
I was adjusting my email spam filters, again, and that started me
wondering about Jabber and spam.
[...]
- Filter on certain words/patterns (br, no a very clean solution)
JAJC has this implemented this feature in the nightly build. From the
changelog:
Ability to autoau
Richard Dobson wrote:
I just recently registered jabbernl.org to create some kind of dutch
portal but creating the site itself is part of the fun for me :D
Fine but it could still be of use to others that dont want to duplicate work
that has already been done.
That would be my opinion to. A possibl
Bart van Bragt wrote:
Mattias Campe wrote:
> Why a framework? Well, why has the Jabber community so much servers?
> Because you can just download jabberd, install it on a linux server
> and that's it, nothing more. You customize it yourself by installing
> some components
Bart van Bragt wrote:
Tijl Houtbeckers wrote:
There's no need for 1 big "JSF-thumbs-up" portal that can't focus on
the end-user cause it might piss off some developers.
[...]
I would still go for a *framework*-project so people can easily set up a
localized site (and it's more in the line of th
Rachel Blackman wrote:
[...]
I understand the position, but I disagree. Your average general IM user
does not want to make an 'informed choice'. They want to click on a link
and download a client and have it be a fairly simple and mindless
sign-up-and-get-online process.
Yes, but you still have _
Nathan Walp wrote:
[...]
I know it seems like I'm nit-picking, but please make a concious effort
to say Gaim or gaim, and not GAIM or gAIM. The difference is the first
two cause us no legal trouble, and the second two have legal issues
associated with them.
Okay, I'll keep it in mind :)!
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Nathan Walp wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 03:12:03PM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote:
I'm also considering such a "plan"... I've read on forums of Trillian
that the free version will support Jabber in the future, but what if
they don't? And I don't want to purge fri
Bart van Bragt wrote:
Another example; a friend of mine was watching me use Psi and she asked
me if she could use that too. She really liked the cute little stars in
front of the contacts... :D Do you think she cares about the fact that
Jabber is using a distributed network? That it uses XML? Th
GuruJ wrote:
While it would be lovely to have a consumer-grade IM product out there,
the fact is that centrally hosting such a service (as people have
pointed out) costs heaps of money for bandwidth and server costs.
Maybe setting up a jabberstudio project for making a jabber end-user
site *fra
David 'TheRaven' Chisnall wrote:
MSN-t has had no active maintainers for ages, so I guess the best thing
for you to do would be to grab a copy of the code and play.
[...]
Well, although MSN-t doesn't have an active developer, there still is
msn-tnq, unrelated to msn-t:
http://www.jabberstudio.o
Adrian Rapa wrote:
-) Multiprotocol:
*client-side* support for AIM, Yahoo, MSN, ICQ, Jabber
server side is better.. no need for upgrading each client protocol
support when the other is changing the protocol
But on the other hand, implementing file transfer, video-chat,... looks
hard to me to suppo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Mattias Campe wrote:
-) Multiprotocol:
*client-side* support for AIM, Yahoo, MSN, ICQ, Jabber
Certainly users don't care whether the legacy protocols are implemented
server or client side.
True, they don't care how it's done, but the
Mattias Campe wrote:
What needs an Instant Messaging system for you alone (multiple answers
possible):
1) file sharing
2) icq.com-style portal site
3) skinnable client
4) avatars
5) lots of emoticons
6) file sharing
7) ...
7) Client in native language
8) Forums in native language
9
Mattias Campe wrote:
[...]
What I don't think they (="most of the users", not all the users) are
interested in is an icq.com-style portal, that's at least what I "feel"
in my group of friends.
I think, if you would like to make an easy-to-set-up-and-maintain
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
[...]
I agree, much more is needed than just an easy user guide. If we really
want to reach the average IM user, we need an icq.com-style portal that
makes users happy by providing general-interest chatrooms, easy ways to
find like-minded users, fun little quizzes and polls
Hi,
as Trillian Pro will support Jabber through a plugin, I was wondering
who is already using Jabber and who will use it. So I started a little
poll on the Trillian forum, might be of interest:
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/forums/showthread.php?s=34c74c5322aab59b7982a0c99d637af0&threadid=385
Hi,
It's been since a few days now (or even (much) more) that I can't reach
http://www.jabberconf.com. Does it actually still exists?
greetings,
Mattias
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Adrian Rapa heeft geschreven:
hi,
I intend to create a jabber site for romanian users. If you have some
suggestions for what the site should contain please let me know.
If I would make a Jabber site for my home country (and I have a lot of
time and I have the money to buy myself a website and .
Bart van Bragt wrote:
Mattias Campe wrote:
Personally, I swore off gateways about a year ago, but I know a lot of
people feel they need this
Same goes here, I also know a lot of people who like to use the MSN
gateway (/me swores them off ;) ) and if MSN-groupchat would be
possible
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
Any volunteers to work on the MSN-t code? With JIT coming along we seem to
have fairly good ICQ support, and pcurtis vastly improved the Yahoo-t
code. It seems that temas is still plugging away on AIM-t, but the MSN-t
code has been without a maintainer for ages. Any volunt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Mattias Campe wrote:
- Would there be any reason why not supporting Jabber (because I really
don't see a reason at all, it's the only protocol next to irc that they
wouldn't have to reverse engineer)?
No idea. A guess would be tha
Hi,
on the website of Trillian
(http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/trillian/index.html) they say "Connects
to all major chat networks, including AIM®, MSN®, ICQ®, Yahoo!®, and
IRC!", but I don't see Jabber in there. Maybe that I could convince some
of my friends to switch to Jabber if only Trillia
f client developers will
start to build their own, incompatible, (proprietary?) solutions for
file sharing. "Incompatible", because there is no support from the JSF...
just my 2 cents
Mattias Campe
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Jan Niehusmann wrote:
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 10:46:01AM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote:
File transfer:
[...]
File sharing:
[...]
All of these are nice ideas, but I think jabber should stay focused on
messaging. While simple 1:1 file transfer can be seen as some special
form of sending a
Benoit Orihuela wrote:
hi,
1) Do you like this idea of having a J-day?
aren't the goals of this J-day already covered by the annual jabberconfs ?
Maybe for the developers (but I don't know much about those annual
jabberconfs :( ), but I don't think for end-users.
Eg. take the "world day o
> File sharing:
> -
> A lot of my friends wouldn't know how to set up an ftp-server, but a lot
> of them use ICQ to share files with their contactlist. For the moment I
> don't like ICQ's file sharing (apart from the fact that I don't like
> ICQ), because it seems to lack some feature
rse, this doesn't stop at file sharing: the same ideas goes for
webcams and other, not existing yet services. Maybe that I even want to
hide information from the roster itself, maybe I don't want my "not so
close friends" to see my telephone number...
greetings
Mattias Campe
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Hi,
although I don't have time to carefully read JEP-0052 about file transfer,
maybe I can give my end-user view on file transfer and file sharing. I
hope it helps, if not, then I've put ideas in order for myself ;).
File transfer:
--
- ability to set speed of download/upload
- resum
for animals... And if you "meet" such a
day, take a look at the news papers and magazines: chances are big that
they will have special attention to that particular day by publishing specific
articles...
2) What would be the perfect day for J-day?
- birth of the Jabber Software Foundation
- birt
Mattias Campe wrote:
Hi,
I sometimes read in posts (like e.g. on
http://www.jabbercentral.org/polls/results.php?poll_id=1015995663 ) that
Jabber should leave all those proprietaty systems for what they are and
focus a lot more on building good server software and good client software
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:01:38 -0600
> From: Kris Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: What happened to JIM
>
> Looks like Jabber.com removed the free use JIM client from their site
> and replaced i
Martin Lesser wrote:
[...]
> Let's hope that he also clarifies that in the next issue of c't.
I've contacted the Dutch c't (http://www.ct.nl) to ask if they could
write an article about Jabber. I've pointed them to my (dutch) article
about Jabber (namely http://users.pandora.be/cobnet/ict/jabbe
Joe Hildebrand heeft geschreven:
> What about having 2 vcards, one private and one public, with the
> private one only visible to people for which you have 'from' or 'both'
> subscriptions in your roster?
>
Wouldn't it be better to have 1 vcard and letting the different groups
pointing to the f
Hi,
I love the principle of bots like [EMAIL PROTECTED], but still, there
could be a whole spam-company behind that Jabber bot and they will not
only know my JID, but worse, they will know my e-mail adres (jippie,
more spam :( ) *and* my telephone number *and* ... Of course, I can
refuse to f
Sami Haahtinen heeft geschreven:
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 05:49:27PM -0400, Adam Theo wrote:
>
>>According to some Google searches, the "gem" file extension is already
>>being used and supported in many applications as a vector graphic file
>>format. Neither "gisp" nor "jisp" are, however. I w
Adam Theo heeft geschreven:
> Hi Matthias.
>
> Sorry about the email. I looked through my inbox and didn't see anything
> about that from you, so I might have ended up accidentally deleting it
> with the spam (i get about 50+ a day).
Then you will have to put me in your personal Addres book, j
Hi,
(the specification itself can be read through at:
http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0038.html )
maybe it's a detail, but isn't a transport some sort of language on its
own? If you consider a transport as some sort of language, then you can use:
(b)
instead of
(b)
what would make the spec a li
I e-mailed the next to Theo, but he didn't reply to it (not even a short
message :( ). So, if Theo doesn't want to reply, I post it here, so that
maybe others can reply...
Hi,
I had a quick read through at JEP038 (again ;) ) and I see that you
proposed .jisp as file extension. But JEP038 can
Mattias Campe heeft geschreven:
> Hi,
>
> I don't know if you know SIMP - Simple Instant Messaging and Presence,
> but sb. gave me a link to http://simp.mitre.org/, after I claimed that
> Jabber was the only open IM-system. Has anybody heard of this one? It
> doesn&#
Mattias Campe heeft geschreven:
> Mattias Campe heeft geschreven:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> while sb told me about SIMP (see previous post: "SIMP = open soure
>> concurrent for Jabber?") another one told me about "Lotus sametime"
>> from IBM: http:/
Mattias Campe heeft geschreven:
> Hi,
>
> while sb told me about SIMP (see previous post: "SIMP = open soure
> concurrent for Jabber?") another one told me about "Lotus sametime" from
> IBM: http://www.lotus.com/products/lotussametime.nsf/wdocs/homepage
>
Hi,
while sb told me about SIMP (see previous post: "SIMP = open soure
concurrent for Jabber?") another one told me about "Lotus sametime" from
IBM: http://www.lotus.com/products/lotussametime.nsf/wdocs/homepage
Why didn't they user Jabber for it? They did develop their own Jabber
client didn
Hi,
I don't know if you know SIMP - Simple Instant Messaging and Presence,
but sb. gave me a link to http://simp.mitre.org/, after I claimed that
Jabber was the only open IM-system. Has anybody heard of this one? It
doesn't seem that developed as Jabber, but still, it has a IETF proposal
too.
Hi,
I've tried to make a dutch Jabber Advocacy. Sorry, it's dutch, because
that's my native language and it makes some comparisons a lot easier for
me and more understandable for the reader. Still there are about 20
million of Dutchmen, if they all would see the use of Jabber... well... ;)
J
TerraAccess heeft geschreven:
>I want to convert my client emoticons to xml, to stay with the jabber theme
>and to make it easier for end users to customize.
>
[...]
Maybe this link will help http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0038.html (I
hope it is that that you meanted?)
greetings
Mattias
Adam Theo wrote:
> I am finishing my proposal for emoticons and genicons in Jabber. I at
> first had it as a set list of text strings that would be parsed into
> icons, but recently took a suggestion of creating themes and
> incorporated it in. Now all icons are defined by the recipient user in
Michael Brown wrote:
> Is it just me, or is the IETF submission document no longer accessible?
>
>
>
> http://www.jabber.org/docs/draft-miller-jabber-00.html
>
>
>
> Mike.
>
Sorry, I also can't access
http://www.jabber.org/docs/draft-miller-jabber-00.html :(
.m.
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> -Original Message-
[...]
>
> MSN's big advantage is (of course) user-base. Microsoft built up a user
> base in a way that only someone with a monopoly on computer operating
> systems could ;-) However, I've seen numbers in the past that indicate
> their userbase has significantly low
eady did work on this subject and provided a
website full of details, links, documents,... then why would I have to
do the same thing once again? Did you think of that? I've learned never
to invent hot water again!
friends again ;) ?
Mattias Campe
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David Waite wrote:
> Mattias Campe wrote:
>
>> I know that ICQ only has a part that is completely open (the AIM TOC
>> protocol), but what about MSN? Does MSN have a completely open
>> protocol? Do you have to pay some money to use it, like if you would
>> like
o MSN, plz. tell them...
greetings
Mattias Campe
(aka cobnet)
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Dave wrote:
> Reply inline:
>
> - Dave
>
> Richard Dobson wrote:
>
>>
[...]
> Any given client has ten million choices about how to implement emoticons
> if you use something standard like HTTP IMG tags.
[...]
That's just a problem I think, those ten million choices. I want to be
able to re
Dave wrote:
> Reply inline:
>
> - Dave
>
> Richard Dobson wrote:
>
[...]
>>Of course you would, it doesnt mean you are right, emoticons are a client
>>feature and should have the ability to be turned off, which in your method
>>they cant be without turning off all embedded images,
>
> Well-au
> - Original Message - From: "Mattias Campe"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday,
> April 18, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines
>
>
>
>> Richard Dobson wrote:
>>
>>&g
;s good, though,
> IMHO: we need more optimists in the world.
I know that I can be a little to much of an optimist, but hey, I'm only
20 years old, I'm only starting to learn the hard reality ;-)
> - Dave
>
>
> Mattias Campe wrote:
>
>>Dave wrote:
&
Richard Dobson wrote:
> Well what about creating a new x element for message which allows people to
> define emoticon text replacements e.g.
>
>
> This is a emoticon containing message :) (L) ;) :D
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
[...]
I'm not sure if I unde
dman wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 09:09:57AM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote:
> | dman wrote:
> | >On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 01:57:07AM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote:
> | >...
> | >| I personally think that the representation of an emoticon should be
> | >| descriptive, b
David Waite wrote:
> Michael Brown wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I ment that the transports will have to do the translations when
>> messages are sent to other IM systems. For example, if a graphical
>> Jabber
>> user clicks the icon with the mouse for "email", they will see the
>> icon on
>> their clien
Michael Brown wrote:
[...]
>>>
>>> Sorry to reply to my own reply, but thinking about it, I can see
>>
> Mattia's
>
>>> point (I think)
>>>
>>> Why don't we come up with a Jabber "standard" list, that is text
>>> mode friendly, and the transports can handle the translations to
>>> annoyi
Michael Brown wrote:
>>>I didn't mean that everything should be with words to be descriptive,
>>>like ":-)" itself is descriptive enough. Indeed, I would also want as
>>>much ASCII-art as possible. But for those other "expressions" (e.g.
>>>love) other things are needed and (l) (b) don't mean much
n the program. It almost always came back
to the things I wrote in my post. Sorry, but I can't e-mail all of the
developers to say what I think. Then I thought "hey, they probabably
subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so I'll have them all...
> Julian
>
> On Wed, 2002-04-17 at 1
-) :D 8-) They are descriptive
themselves, but I hate ones like (b) (l) ...
> Mattias Campe wrote:
>
>>(I changed from e-mail adres: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to this one, just
>>that you know ;-) )
>>
>>"Just" (few weeks) learned Jabber and I really like th
dman wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 01:57:07AM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote:
> ...
> | I personally think that the representation of an emoticon should be
> | descriptive, because it could be that people use a non-emoticon client
> | (e.g. they find all those emoticons overhead)
Dave wrote:
> Reply inline:
>
> - Dave
>
>
> Mattias Campe wrote:
>
>>Dave wrote:
>>
[...]
>
>>>Also, I think we should all list our JIDs as early as possible in our
>>>contact info lists. Having our email addresses and Jabber
Dave wrote:
> That's an interesting angle ... maybe we need to work more on getting
> Jabber to work well with itself, and less on getting Jabber to "emulate"
> other protocols. Improving client functionality and stability seems to
> be the single biggest request I get from other programmers who
(I changed from e-mail adres: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to this one, just
that you know ;-) )
"Just" (few weeks) learned Jabber and I really like the open source
thing, to bad that Jabber wasn't just before MSN, ICQ, ... :(
Great, open source, everyone can build his own client. Well the problem
Hi,
I sometimes read in posts (like e.g. on
http://www.jabbercentral.org/polls/results.php?poll_id=1015995663 ) that
Jabber should leave all those proprietaty systems for what they are
and focus a lot more on building good server software and good client
software.
I can only agree to that!
The one thing I want the most is to have a good working bugfree Jabber
client. Not an overfeatured one (like ICQ), but one with, next to the
normal features:
* good, stable (resumable) file transfer that also works for big files
* good notification when a message arrives (I liked the notificat
Sorry
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