Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread Randolph Kahle
[...] There are all kinds of problems with this analogy. It assumes that the quality of a project is unknowable at the outset so mutations are in fact random. This might actually be reasonable. Groovy apparently looked for quite a while like a good project and has recently started sucking.

Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread Drew Davidson
Tim Colson (tcolson) wrote: [some stuff deleted] As Andy pointed out... maybe Codehaus.org will kill Apache.org... or maybe not. There is a lot of room for non-fatal mutations (like Tomcat, Jetspeed, ...and Drew ) to survive and even procreate. Heck, I hear Drew has a reay cute kid that looks n

RE: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread Tim Colson \(tcolson\)
> There is a lot of room for non-fatal mutations > (like Tomcat, > >Jetspeed, ...and Drew ) to survive and even procreate. Heck, I > >hear Drew has a reay cute kid that looks nothing like him. > > > > > This is the second thread that I've been forceable dragged > into :-) And > now Tim i

Re: [jug-discussion] RE: Bagging on ASF...or not

2005-02-24 Thread John D. Mitchell
> "Erik" == Erik Hatcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:48 PM, John D. Mitchell wrote: [...] > But sure, I'll concede that yours really is bigger than mine if you want > to play that game :) Funny how you've managed to turn it around into some > kind of chest thumpin

Re: [jug-discussion] RE: Bagging on ASF...or not

2005-02-24 Thread Erik Hatcher
On Feb 24, 2005, at 1:11 PM, John D. Mitchell wrote: "Erik" == Erik Hatcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:48 PM, John D. Mitchell wrote: [...] But sure, I'll concede that yours really is bigger than mine if you want to play that game :) Funny how you've managed to turn it arou

Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread John D. Mitchell
> "Erik" == Erik Hatcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Feb 23, 2005, at 1:03 PM, John D. Mitchell wrote: >> You're confusing intent with result. The actual results of the ASF is a >> lot of bad software and a lot of bad "communities" around that software. > And a lot of bad "mouthing"

Re: [jug-discussion] RE: Bagging on ASF...or not

2005-02-24 Thread John D. Mitchell
> "Erik" == Erik Hatcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Feb 24, 2005, at 1:11 PM, John D. Mitchell writes: [...] >> Naw, I expected the ironic humor to come through (because that's a kind >> of argument that's made all too often on the mailing lists and >> newsgroups). Alas. > So you'r

Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread John D. Mitchell
> "Andrew" == Andrew Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > tomcat,apache httpd, tapestry, struts, ant, and bcel have all made my job > or my hobby easier at one time or another. i'm sure other apache.org > projects have made other people's work easier. i care oh so very little > about

Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread Erik Hatcher
On Feb 24, 2005, at 1:33 PM, John D. Mitchell wrote: And a lot of bad "mouthing" :) Indeed. Alas, you're one of the rare ones who are both tough enough to deal with that crap and still be a nice guy. And you missed my humorous poke at you on that one :) I don't recall any example you (or Drew, I a

RE: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread John D. Mitchell
> Timo wrote: [...] > Heh heh. Non-fatal mutations can cripple an organism, lessening their > chances for survival, and lowering the chances for reproduction (which > is true failure)... or the mutation might create a unique characteristic > change which heightens the organisms survival rate a

[jug-discussion] Java Tasklist/Calendar

2005-02-24 Thread Bryan . ONeal
I need a task and calendaring program that: 1) Will synch to a central file (preferably via ssh to my server, but if I have to manually copy a few files up and down it is OK as I can just write a script to get the latest copy on machine start up and upload changes on shut down) 2) C

RE: [jug-discussion] Java Tasklist/Calendar

2005-02-24 Thread Tim Colson \(tcolson\)
Sunbird client and an ApacheServer running webDAV to store the info might work. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/screenshot.html http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/images/Calendar_Modern_Day.png RE: tasks with subtasks, it's a great feature, but you're SOL. * Jira 3.x has sub-tasks

RE: [jug-discussion] Java Tasklist/Calendar

2005-02-24 Thread Bryan . ONeal
Sigh, I have not used Outlook in a while, as I am now regularly moving between three OS's, But if I recall correctly it was either a Franklin Covey or a David Allen - Getting Things Done plugin With regard to sub tasks, I would think you could use a XML formatted file for the records and then use

Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread Drew Davidson
Erik Hatcher wrote: On Feb 24, 2005, at 1:33 PM, John D. Mitchell wrote: [lots of stuff deleted, thankfully] Also, since you seem to not see it, the very process that the ASF uses (strong personalities + popularity) is a huge barrier to entry of people who could actually help make things significan

Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread Erik Hatcher
On Feb 24, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Drew Davidson wrote: I have been "invited" to join the Ant work by you and you alone. My posts to the Ant lists went either (a) ignored or (b) blown off in a condescending way. In neither case did I think that my help was going to be appreciated or wanted. I have

Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread Andrew Huntwork
i'm saying, comparing communities of projects to genes is interesting and provides some insight into why the injection of (varying numbers of) new projects of varying quality into a community is necessary and useful. I explicitly do not judge the quality of any project and indicate that the qu

Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread Andrew Huntwork
John D. Mitchell wrote: "Andrew" == Andrew Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] Really? You work in a place where it's *not* dictated that you use them (or, contrapositively, you e.g., "can't afford" e.g., good solutions)? Or do you only use them on your own pet projects but not at work? O

Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread John D. Mitchell
> "Erik" == Erik Hatcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Feb 24, 2005, at 1:33 PM, John D. Mitchell wrote: [...] >>> I don't recall any example you (or Drew, I assume) have provided as an >>> "evil" example of open-source. You've both given me an earful about >>> how Ant sucks, but I ha

Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....

2005-02-24 Thread John D. Mitchell
> "Erik" == Erik Hatcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Feb 24, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Drew Davidson wrote: [...] > There has been some very dramatic evolution (to stick with the genetics > analogy here) of Ant in the past couple of years. There were uphill > battles that were fought to ach