Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-18 Thread Joel Jaeggli
I a previous job we lacked the identical (juniper) hardware mix in the lab that we had in the field (mx480s and srx 5600s are expensive). So for some upgrades things ran fine or were easy to identify, but there were failure cases whereas we tripped over hardware/software interactions in the field

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, April 14, 2011 02:11:07 AM Richard A Steenbergen wrote: Honestly, sometimes they get a little too RMA happy and throw that out as the solution instead of actually trying to find the real issue. Personally I'd be far more inclined to believe that the problem is software than it

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, April 14, 2011 02:35:01 AM Justin M. Streiner wrote: I'll agree that bleeding-edge code should be avoided in production, however there are cases for some people where there isn't a choice. We're using NG-MVPN for Multicast and some features we needed were only available in

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:39:44 AM Chris Evans wrote: In all of our cases over the years it takes Juniper quite longer to get us answers. Be aware that we do have a much larger install base with Cisco so we get higher support. I would have to agree, and we are a 50/50 house. Both sales

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, April 14, 2011 01:27:15 AM Chris Evans wrote: Question to you all... It seems like alot of folks run bleeding edge code with some if these major bugs popping up.I also get the impression that a lot of shops don't test code before they deploy. Well, in our case, the MX's we're

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, April 14, 2011 01:48:30 AM Derick Winkworth wrote: I'm not saying there haven't been moments of frustration. There has been great frustration at some points. Still, overall our support from Juniper has been great. We haven't had a terribly poor experience with JTAC per se.

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-14 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:18:00 AM Keith wrote: Is this an anomaly and we got a lemon? Or have any others had to replace this many parts in so short of time? Like others have mentioned, some batches are good, some aren't. We haven't had any hardware issues with a couple of units we

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-14 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 09:18:00AM -0700, Keith wrote: So on a non production box, just sitting in the rack, powered up for a little more than 8 weeks, passing no traffic at all, it's on the 3rd MPC and 2nd MIC. Try this on...we had to RMA a newly-installed-in-production MX960-ECM chassis

[j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Keith
Hi. You folks have been great at answering some of my questions regarding our MX480, but have come across some big problems that me and the person who signed the PO are not very pleased about. A month or so ago I found we had a bad MPC card. Ok so we RMA'd it. This week I came on site to do

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Paul Stewart
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles. Hi. You folks have been great at answering some of my questions regarding our MX480, but have come across some big problems that me and the person who signed the PO are not very pleased about. A month or so ago I found we had a bad

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Andy Vance
-Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:18 AM To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles. Hi. You folks have been great at answering some of my

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Chris Evans
Keith. I feel your pain on this. We do not get nearly the support from Juniper that we do with Cisco. In your case it sounds like this just might be bad hardware for which anyone is susceptible. However how the manufacturer steps up to resolve is where it matters. In all of our cases over the

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Jared Mauch
On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Chris Evans wrote: Question to you all... It seems like alot of folks run bleeding edge code with some if these major bugs popping up.I also get the impression that a lot of shops don't test code before they deploy. I'm just curious how this works for you.

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 01:27:15PM -0400, Chris Evans wrote: Question to you all... It seems like alot of folks run bleeding edge code with some if these major bugs popping up.I also get the impression that a lot of shops don't test code before they deploy. I'm just curious how this

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:48:30AM -0700, Derick Winkworth wrote: They don't 1.? immediately just blame you or 2.? just tell you to upgrade and sit and do nothing until you do 3.? or tell you that you should have known that with some very narrow set of unlikely circumstances after two

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:09:12AM -0700, Keith wrote: We saw random reboots, sometimes hourly, with the first MPC and this was on 10.4R2.6. Juniper wanted to RMA it. When the latest MPC and MIC arrive I will update to 10.4R3.4 and see how that goes. Honestly, sometimes they get a little

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Chris Evans wrote: It seems like alot of folks run bleeding edge code with some if these major bugs popping up.I also get the impression that a lot of shops don't test code before they deploy. That depends on your definition of 'test' :) Seriously, though. I've seen

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Keith
On 4/13/2011 11:11 AM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:09:12AM -0700, Keith wrote: We saw random reboots, sometimes hourly, with the first MPC and this was on 10.4R2.6. Juniper wanted to RMA it. When the latest MPC and MIC arrive I will update to 10.4R3.4 and see how

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Derick Winkworth
this will happen.  From: Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net To: Derick Winkworth dwinkwo...@att.net Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 1:08:52 PM Subject: Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:48:30AM -0700, Derick Winkworth

Re: [j-nsp] MX480 troubles.

2011-04-13 Thread Pavel Lunin
Me Hi, when this bgp neighbor flaps it sometimes doesn't syslog the event correctly, and instead records garbage messages. ATAC The bgp neighbor is flapping, that is why you are logging the neighbor down, can I close this case? Oh-yah! ) Are your sure it wasn an ATAC guy really, not