Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-10-31 Thread DeathPacket
All, Juniper does allow you to use a specific route table for management, it's inet.0. You then create a VR, and place all your transit ports in the VR. Ideal would be to do the reverse of that, create a VR and put the mgmt ports in the VR, but it is not supported today. Still it is doable

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-10-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
Sorry, this is late, as far as this thread goes but I think I'd add one more thing since I've got oob networks big enough to have to add l3 boundries in them... juniper's not the only vendor with this issue by far... On 9/19/11 13:59 , Jonathan Lassoff wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:42 PM,

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-21 Thread Chris Evans
From a data center perspective we use it for building more than anything. We're using Nexus kit in our DC's mostly and they have full OOB support. Its nice to be able to load code, configure, burn-in, etc.. before you bring the container onto the core. All of the benefits after the fact are just

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-19 Thread Andrew Parnell
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Chris Evans chrisccnpsp...@gmail.com wrote: One main downfall I'm running into is that I cannot copy or install software using the FXP port as my source for traffic. Does anyone know of a command that will allow me to select the logical system? The current

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-19 Thread Pavel Lunin
2011/9/17 Chris Evans chrisccnpsp...@gmail.com Juniper devices have out of band ethernet ports, but have the HUGE HUGE downfall of being in the main routing table conflicting with every other route. BTW, can anyone give a good real-world example of a _routed_ OOB management network usage?

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-19 Thread Pavel Lunin
As far as I understand the whole concept of OOB MGT IP interface Sorry, really meant dedicated physical interfaces, of course. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-19 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Pavel Lunin plu...@senetsy.ru wrote: 2011/9/17 Chris Evans chrisccnpsp...@gmail.com Juniper devices have out of band ethernet ports, but have the HUGE HUGE downfall of being in the main routing table conflicting with every other route. BTW, can anyone

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-19 Thread Pavel Lunin
I see two ways one can go about this. Either programmatically tunnel into an OOB L2 segment via a bastion host in an on-demand fashion, or point some routes (dynamically, or otherwise) into your internal network for management use. The risk of pointing routes into your internal network, IMO,

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-19 Thread Chris Morrow
On 09/19/11 16:59, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: BTW, can anyone give a good real-world example of a_routed_ OOB management network usage? As far as I understand the whole concept of OOB MGT IP interface was invented to make the management network totally isolated from any transit traffic.

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-19 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Pavel Lunin plu...@senetsy.ru wrote: I see two ways one can go about this. Either programmatically tunnel into an OOB L2 segment via a bastion host in an on-demand fashion, or point some routes (dynamically, or otherwise) into your internal network for

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-19 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Chris Morrow morr...@ops-netman.netwrote: On 09/19/11 16:59, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: BTW, can anyone give a good real-world example of a_routed_ OOB management network usage? As far as I understand the whole concept of OOB MGT IP interface was

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-19 Thread Pavel Lunin
how about like management networks on ss7 deployments? Not sure I correctly understand how the analogy from IP world should look like. I can imagine a network of, say, access devices whether L2 or L3, for which OOB mgt is really needed. But I don't know much people who use dedicated mgt ports

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-19 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/19/11 14:04 , Chris Morrow wrote: On 09/19/11 16:59, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: BTW, can anyone give a good real-world example of a_routed_ OOB management network usage? yeah, I I find that oob networks larger than a /21 are sort of hard to manage therefore we split them up into l3

[j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-17 Thread Chris Evans
Juniper devices have out of band ethernet ports, but have the HUGE HUGE downfall of being in the main routing table conflicting with every other route. This limits it usage, however a work around is to put the FXP interface into a logical system (on support devices). This has downfalls too, but

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-17 Thread Herro91
Hi, Don't know if this will work, but have you tried executing the file copy command from within the logical system by set cli logical-system blah ? if this works, i don't know if you can install software from that location or not unfortunately. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Chris Evans

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-17 Thread Darren Bolding
Not an answer, but a related work-around I have used is to put everything _else_ in a virtual router instance. This, however, has other major limitations, such as network/tunnel VPN's terminate in, and other features depend on inet0. The management interface not having a separate routing

Re: [j-nsp] out of band management - real OOB

2011-09-17 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
I agree with all of these points, and it's a pretty classic problem with managing devices that route. The path I've gone down in most setups I've done is to simplify. I place all devices within a site within an out of band LAN/broadcast domain, and setup one (or two, depending on HA