Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 02:14:44 CEST Jonathan Frederickson wrote: > On 08/08/2017 06:19 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > - Support for a decent set of Emoji (not just the ones you can create > > using > > ASCII chars). > > Using Unicode to display them is probably okay, as long as users can > >

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 01:59:00 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > PS: on the importance of emojis and (animated) stickers: I can see why > people want them for friends and family, I love the sticker packs I have on > Telegram. But why it is mandatory in a somewhat more professional > environment

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

On Dienstag, 8. August 2017 23:52:40 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > > Looking at #kde-devel just now it says: > > <-- swati_27 (uid130066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-abaollxcgicrxgwg) > > has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) > > <-- nowrep (~david@kde/developer/drosca) has quit (Quit:

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Can we please keep this thread limited to collecting-requirements, and therefore arguing over which requirements are required or what their weight is? That, rather than re-hashing the discussion elsewhere on which platform with which sub- and superset of features is popular in which location.

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 09:36:42 CEST Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 01:59:00 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > > PS: on the importance of emojis and (animated) stickers: I can see why > > people want them for friends and family, I love the sticker packs I have > > on > > Tel

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

On Wednesday 09 August 2017 09:45:13 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > That's not the case for modern protocols where people only stop seeing the > conversation if they actively leave the group (which is whey they do show > that, but it happens far less often than people quitting their IRC client). > > A

Re: KDE at Qt World Summit 2017 - let's make it the best yet!

I'll be there as well and up to help. ( Already sent with wrong email :-P ) On 8 August 2017 at 23:21, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2017-08-08, Eike Hein wrote: > > Berlin, Germany will once again host a Qt World Summit this year, on > > October 10th through 12th. This follows on from the Qt Contr

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Il 09.08.2017 09:58 Thomas Pfeiffer ha scritto: On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 09:36:42 CEST Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 01:59:00 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: PS: on the importance of emojis and (animated) stickers: I can see why people want them for friends and family, I

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

Hi! > On 9. Aug 2017, at 10:08, Adriaan de Groot > wrote: > > On Wednesday 09 August 2017 09:45:13 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: >> That's not the case for modern protocols where people only stop seeing the >> conversation if they actively leave the group (which is whey they do s

Re: KDE at Qt World Summit 2017 - let's make it the best yet!

I am interested in providing some local support. Best, Mirko. > On 8. Aug 2017, at 19:18, Eike Hein wrote: > > Berlin, Germany will once again host a Qt World Summit this year, on > October 10th through 12th. This follows on from the Qt Contributor > Summit on October 9th and 10th. > > As in

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

Hi, I have opened right now konversation with 25 channels, 10 from them corporate channels and many others to talk to developers from different projects, KDE telepathy for my Google and facebook contacts, Telegram for my KDE and openSUSE support questions since users seem to be moving there and I

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

On martedì 8 agosto 2017 23:43:25 CEST, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: On Dienstag, 8. August 2017 22:46:18 CEST Elvis Angelaccio wrote: On martedì 8 agosto 2017 21:46:58 CEST, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: On 8 August 2017 at 20:01, Luigi Toscano wrote: ... I'm not sure I get this argument. Do we have

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On mercoledì 9 agosto 2017 00:19:32 CEST, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: Hi everyone, now that hopefully most of the emotional arguments in fiery support of one protocol or another have been exchanged, I'd suggest we move things towards a practical approach and ask ourselves: What are the requiremen

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

Am Dienstag, 8. August 2017, 20:05:16 CEST schrieb Jonathan Frederickson: > Matrix has all of these, with the exception of perhaps "Multi-identity" > and "Anonymous." (But it's HTTP, so you can tunnel it over Tor, there's > no real name requirement as it's an open federated protocol, and you can >

Re: KDE at Qt World Summit 2017 - let's make it the best yet!

On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 18:18:04 BST Eike Hein wrote: > Hi everyone, Hi! :D > - Helpers! Who wants to be an awesome person and go to QtWS and rep > KDE there? Who can make it to Berlin in the timeframe? (I know > there's a KDE Edu sprint and a Blue Systems dev sprint going on, > so no e

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

> On 09 Aug 2017, at 09:57, Adriaan de Groot wrote: > > Can we please keep this thread limited to collecting-requirements, and > therefore arguing over which requirements are required or what their weight > is? That, rather than re-hashing the discussion elsewhere on which platform > with whi

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

Post Scriptum, as I discussed this and learned that what I hinted at in the - cafe channel yesterday is public information: We (freenode) are looking into support (not moving to, mind) for rocket. Some details can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/eximious/posts/ 10155436766365761?comment_

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wednesday 09 August 2017 00:19:32 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > - FOSS clients or at least API available for desktop as well as mobile > These clients must > - have a UI that someone who is < 20 years old and cares about the looks of > a UI would use (or if those don't exist, we need to have people

Re: KDE at Qt World Summit 2017 - let's make it the best yet!

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Eike Hein wrote: > Everyone interested and willing to commit please speak up, or get > in touch with me directly. You will be able to express a pre- > ference for booth and talk chairing duty which we'll try to > respect when drawing up the duty roster. You'll get lots

Re: KDE at Qt World Summit 2017 - let's make it the best yet!

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Eike Hein wrote: > - Helpers! Who wants to be an awesome person and go to QtWS and rep > KDE there? Who can make it to Berlin in the timeframe? (I know > there's a KDE Edu sprint and a Blue Systems dev sprint going on, > so no excuses! :P) > > Everyone inte

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

>We should probably also ask the sysadmin team whether they would be willing to maintain our own chat server. That's "maintain a third chat server". They maintain both kdetalk (jabber) and Conpherence (phabricator) already. David

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

We have a GSoC student working on a RocketChat<~>Telegram<~>Irc bridge which as of now has support for files, images, video messages and so on. Take a look here http://rivadavide.blogspot.com/2017/08/brooklyn-02-released-ready-for.html . We are using it at WikiToLearn and it is working fine. On W

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

Hi, Yup, I am aware, I already did spread that freenode internally a couple of weeks ago (when I saw the first post on planet KDE), thanks. Our current issue is more the mix of authentication systems and to use something like SAML or the likes to integrate them, which, as far as I am aware,

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On mercoledì 9 agosto 2017 11:47:24 CEST, David Edmundson wrote: We should probably also ask the sysadmin team whether they would be willing to maintain our own chat server. That's "maintain a third chat server". They maintain both kdetalk (jabber) and Conpherence (phabricator) already. Righ

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

On 9 August 2017 at 10:46, Elvis Angelaccio wrote: > On the other hand, I see new contributors on IRC all the time who ask "hey, > how do I build $app?" or "hey, how do I contribute to KDE?". So maybe > different teams have just different preferences. So I'm still not convinced > that a new contri

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Elvis Angelaccio wrote: > On mercoledì 9 agosto 2017 11:47:24 CEST, David Edmundson wrote: >>> >>> We should probably also ask the sysadmin team whether they would be >>> willing to maintain our own chat server. >> >> >> That's "maintain a third chat server". >> >>

github, phabricator: a new threadZ

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: > This is a new thread entirely, but incidentally also something we > should also think about. Why many KDE developers choose github instead > of scratch KDE repositories to start new software, where it could > happily be hosted within KDE infrastructu

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: > >> This is a new thread entirely, but incidentally also something we >> should also think about. Why many KDE developers choose github instead >> of scratch KDE repositories to start new softwa

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

Op woensdag 9 augustus 2017 13:50:46 CEST schreef Harald Sitter: > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: > >> This is a new thread entirely, but incidentally also something we > >> should also think about. Why many KDE developers c

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

On August 9, 2017 4:28:49 PM GMT+09:00, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: >On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 02:14:44 CEST Jonathan Frederickson wrote: >> On 08/08/2017 06:19 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: >> > - Support for a decent set of Emoji (not just the ones you can >create >> > using >> > ASCII chars). >> > U

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

On August 9, 2017 9:10:15 PM GMT+09:00, Jos van den Oever wrote: >Op woensdag 9 augustus 2017 13:50:46 CEST schreef Harald Sitter: >> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Boudewijn Rempt >wrote: >> > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: >> >> This is a new thread entirely, but incidentally a

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

> On 09 Aug 2017, at 16:19, Eike Hein wrote: > > On August 9, 2017 4:28:49 PM GMT+09:00, Thomas Pfeiffer > wrote: >> On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 02:14:44 CEST Jonathan Frederickson wrote: >>> On 08/08/2017 06:19 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: - Support for a decent set of Emoji (not just the

KDE at Qt World Summit 2017 - let's make it the best yet!

Sign me up for booth help, I will be in Berlin for BS meeting. Scarlett

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

El dimecres, 9 d’agost de 2017, a les 9:36:42 CEST, Thomas Pfeiffer va escriure: > On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 01:59:00 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > > PS: on the importance of emojis and (animated) stickers: I can see why > > people want them for friends and family, I love the sticker packs I ha

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

El dimecres, 9 d’agost de 2017, a les 9:45:13 CEST, Thomas Pfeiffer va escriure: > On Dienstag, 8. August 2017 23:52:40 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > > > Looking at #kde-devel just now it says: > > > <-- swati_27 (uid130066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-abaollxcgicrxgwg) > > > has quit (Quit: Connec

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > So unless someone can give me an example of an organization younger than 10 > years, with predominantly people younger than 25, Is there any such organization at all? > which uses email as their > main format of text communication Even without thi

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > You can't expect me to read a 200 messages backlog in 20 channels just in > case > something important was said while i was away. Well, I keep running irssi in a screen session because... I feel I have to, but I am getting better at not replying t

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

El dimecres, 9 d’agost de 2017, a les 13:50:46 CEST, Harald Sitter va escriure: > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: > >> This is a new thread entirely, but incidentally also something we > >> should also think about. Why many

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

> On 09 Aug 2017, at 19:57, Albert Astals Cid wrote: >> >> The bigger issue seen in what Jonathan pasted isn't that IRC clients show >> when people join or leave a group. The issue is that it shows when people >> close their IRC client. And the problem is not that it shows them, but that >> this

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

> On 09 Aug 2017, at 20:00, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > >> So unless someone can give me an example of an organization younger than 10 >> years, with predominantly people younger than 25, > > Is there any such organization at all? > Sure there is

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > On 09 Aug 2017, at 20:00, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > >> So unless someone can give me an example of an organization younger than > >> 10 > >> years, with predominantly people younger than 25

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > On 09 Aug 2017, at 20:00, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > >> So unless someone can give me an example of an organization younger > than 10 > >> years, with predominantly people younger th

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Okay, this is more and more drifting away from being remotely productive or helpful, but as I provided a working solution on top level, I feel free to tacke a few points that are, in my opinion, odd at best. First let's tackle that mysterious group of < 20 year olds: > > Is there any such org

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Christian Loosli wrote: > But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a very long > history and contributors of all age. I'd rather be that than one of the many > tech startups with a bunch of little to no experience but fancy new chat > systems, to be

Mastodon (and the !fediverse)

Hi all, I didn't see any thread here about the official KDE account[1] on Mastodon[2] (which is federated with GNU Social and Friendica), so I take this opportunity to spam about it and also to spam a (partial) list of people involved in KDE[3] (free to add yourself!). See you in the !fedivers

Ohio Linux Fest?

Hi, I went to reimbursements.k.o to check out the information about the KDE Edu sprint, and noticed there is an event for the Ohio Linux Fest. Given that that is not too far from where I live, I would be willing to help there if needed. Who is coordinating that? Thanks. David E. Narvaez

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On 2017 M08 9, Wed 00:19:32 CEST Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: ... > - Easy way to share files > A solution that puts files automatically on share.kde.org and embeds them > from there works only if we have people willing and able to implement that > feature into a desktop- as well as mobile client One th

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Christian Loosli wrote: > Okay, this is more and more drifting away from being remotely productive or > helpful, but as I provided a working solution on top level, I feel free to > tacke a few points that are, in my opinion, odd at best. > > First let's tackle that

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Am Mittwoch, 9. August 2017, 16:12:51 CEST schrieb Martin Klapetek: > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Christian Loosli wrote: > > Okay, this is more and more drifting away from being remotely productive > > or > > helpful, but as I provided a working solution on top level, I feel free to > > tacke

Please participate in the requirements Etherpad (Was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Just in case my other email linking to the Etherpad was overlooked by some of you because it was buried too deep in the thread: Let's make this discussion productive by collecting the requirements KDE has for a chat / IM system to become our standard in this document: https://notes.kde.org/p/KD

Re: Ohio Linux Fest?

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:22 PM, David Narvaez wrote: > Hi, > > I went to reimbursements.k.o to check out the information about the > KDE Edu sprint, and noticed there is an event for the Ohio Linux Fest. > Given that that is not too far from where I live, I would be willing > to help there if need

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

FWIW, I moderate a ~300k subscriber subreddit on the side, and that community substantially migrated away from Snoonet to Discord. I see that a lot on reddit now. Cheers, Eike -- Plasma, apps developer KDE e.V. vice president, treasurer Seoul, South Korea