A while ago Albert gave a talk at Akademy about collecting some data
on our users. This got me thinking and with Neon I wanted to see how
many installs we had. Our package install software will check for new
versions being available and I could count the IPs of this check but
that's very unreliab
On 14 April 2016 at 15:16, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> A while ago Albert gave a talk at Akademy about collecting some data
> on our users. This got me thinking and with Neon I wanted to see how
> many installs we had. Our package install software will check for new
> versions being available and
Hi!
> On 14 Apr 2016, at 15:16, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
>
> A while ago Albert gave a talk at Akademy about collecting some data
> on our users. This got me thinking and with Neon I wanted to see how
> many installs we had. Our package install software will check for new
> versions being avail
On Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 15:26:10 CEST Mirko Boehm - KDE wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > On 14 Apr 2016, at 15:16, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> >
> > A while ago Albert gave a talk at Akademy about collecting some data
> > on our users. This got me thinking and with Neon I wanted to see how
> > many insta
On Thursday, April 14, 2016 2:16:03 PM CEST Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> A while ago Albert gave a talk at Akademy about collecting some data
> on our users. This got me thinking and with Neon I wanted to see how
> many installs we had. Our package install software will check for new
> versions bein
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 04:18:30PM +0200, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> Any potentially privacy-sensitive information transfer should be opt-in, not
> opt-out.
> I'd assume that the vast majority of users will allow it (given that it's not
> personally identifiable and they trust their distro), but op
On Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 14:36:21 CEST Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 04:18:30PM +0200, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> > Any potentially privacy-sensitive information transfer should be opt-in,
> > not opt-out.
> > I'd assume that the vast majority of users will allow it (given th
On 14 April 2016 at 17:30, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 14:36:21 CEST Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 04:18:30PM +0200, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> > > Any potentially privacy-sensitive information transfer should be
> opt-in,
> > > not opt-out.
> > > I'
On Thursday, 2016-04-14, 14:36:21, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 04:18:30PM +0200, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> > Any potentially privacy-sensitive information transfer should be opt-in,
> > not opt-out.
> > I'd assume that the vast majority of users will allow it (given that it's
>
On 14 April 2016 at 19:04, Kevin Krammer wrote:
> On Thursday, 2016-04-14, 14:36:21, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 04:18:30PM +0200, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> > > Any potentially privacy-sensitive information transfer should be
> opt-in,
> > > not opt-out.
> > > I'd assume th
On Thursday 14 April 2016 16:18:30 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 15:26:10 CEST Mirko Boehm - KDE wrote:
> > > On 14 Apr 2016, at 15:16, Jonathan Riddell
> > > wrote:
> > > relative metric of numbers of installs not absolute numbers. So
> > > I added a machine-id to the UR
On quinta-feira, 14 de abril de 2016 14:16:03 PDT Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> But KDE cares about privacy and it's in our Vision and I don't want to
> be accused of violating that. But currently I can't see how this can
> violate users privacy any more than an IP address can so I'm curious
> to hear
On Thursday, April 14, 2016 05:49:18 PM Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:
> One idea: KDE's tradition is integration of experience; how about a single
> "Do not track" setting for apps (not just for the Plasma) like it's the
> case for browsers?
I'd prefer a much simpler and easier to understand thing:
"Pl
On Friday, April 15, 2016 12:39:08 AM Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> IMO it must be opt-in. One of my main reason for using Free Software is
> my (probably naïve) hope that Free Software does not phone home at all.
> At least not, unless I have explicitly allowed it to do so.
I fully agree with this. If
On 15 April 2016 at 14:01, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> On Thursday, April 14, 2016 05:49:18 PM Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:
> > One idea: KDE's tradition is integration of experience; how about a
> single
> > "Do not track" setting for apps (not just for the Plasma) like it's the
> > case for browsers?
What's the problem with pinging the Neon servers? Any system already does
way more than that when checking for updates, not to mention when you
connect to a website, or even IRC.
How can this ping be violating any privacy if we don't even need to store
the IP, just a unique ID? We can even generat
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> A while ago Albert gave a talk at Akademy about collecting some data
> on our users. This got me thinking and with Neon I wanted to see how
> many installs we had. Our package install software will check for new
> versions being availab
On Freitag, 15. April 2016 17:46:45 CEST Albert Vaca wrote:
> What's the problem with pinging the Neon servers? Any system already does
> way more than that when checking for updates, not to mention when you
> connect to a website, or even IRC.
>
> How can this ping be violating any privacy if we
Am 16.04.2016 01:46 schrieb Albert Vaca:
What's the problem with pinging the Neon servers? Any system already
does
way more than that when checking for updates, not to mention when you
connect to a website, or even IRC.
How can this ping be violating any privacy if we don't even need to
stor
On Apr 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Frederik Schwarzer" wrote:
>
>
>
> Anyway, if wee feel the need to do it, I would vote for an opt-in
solution shown in the first install wizard.
+1
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Wether or not it would actually be harmful for user privacy, and whatever
the implementation, it would be better for PR/brand image of this was
strictly opt-in. We can take a cue from vlc and Mozilla telemetry fit how.
Essentially, the time benefit of not having to ask permission is, I feel,
far o
El dissabte, 16 d’abril de 2016, a les 3:05:38 CEST, Thomas Pfeiffer va
escriure:
> On Freitag, 15. April 2016 17:46:45 CEST Albert Vaca wrote:
> > What's the problem with pinging the Neon servers? Any system already does
> > way more than that when checking for updates, not to mention when you
>
El dijous, 14 d’abril de 2016, a les 14:16:03 CEST, Jonathan Riddell va
escriure:
> A while ago Albert gave a talk at Akademy about collecting some data
> on our users.
Since i've been invoked:
slides:
https://conf.kde.org/system/attachments/45/original/spyware.pdf?1410020392
video: https://marc
Am Dienstag, 19. April 2016, 00:32:16 CEST schrieb Albert Astals Cid:
Hi,
> +1 Firefox does it well (imho) and i have not seen any backslash about it,
> so kudos to its researchers that came up with it.
FYI: I am really annoyed by FF spying on me through different means not only
the official m
Hi,
(long mail)
I went through this same discussions a few years ago in openSUSE. Let
me outline my personal experience/point of view through that
experience.
At some point, openSUSE was in crossroad and those involved in taking
action, including myself, were not able to agree on the diagnosis o
On Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 15:49:12 CEST Agustin Benito (toscalix) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> (long mail)
>
> I went through this same discussions a few years ago in openSUSE. Let
> me outline my personal experience/point of view through that
> experience.
>
> At some point, openSUSE was in crossroad and
Hi,
> On 21 Apr 2016, at 00:49, Agustin Benito (toscalix) wrote:
>
> So my suggestion is:
>
> * Let's do our best to be transparent about our goals, process and output,
>
> * Let;s provide a simple way for those who think that collective
> ignorance is an affordable side effect of privacy to
Very good, Agustin. This shows everyone a wider picture.
I think it's important to name things in a way that feels like a
positive thing or at most neutral. So 'user feedback' not 'tracking',
etc. And I would disagree with accusations by those that use
'tracking' terms.
In this context if the vi
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