Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-16 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
Thanks Chris! You got to this before I had a chance to respond. We need to calm down and move forward with the stable 5 release. Getting hung up on icon details isn't going to get us anywhere. I should have pushed all of the off until v6. Lesson learned. Now that it's merged, I will only acce

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-16 Thread Chris Pavlina
Can't we quit this icon bickering? Opinions are like buttholes, you all have one and I'm not the least bit interested in seeing yours. This thread is getting _exhausting_. Everyone stop replacing everyone's icons constantly, everyone stop nitpicking, everyone just go home and find something better

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-16 Thread kristoffer Ödmark
For me it feels more natural with thins flowing from left to right, so that means moving the import arrow to the left side, and also making it flowing into the document. Export also flow from left to right, so making it flowing from inside the document to out on the right side. These are good

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-16 Thread Jeff Young
I think the in/out axis is more important than the left/right axis. So your suggestion would be an improvement. > On 16 Jan 2018, at 11:40, Oliver Walters > wrote: > > I think you are all correct. During my revamp of the icons I tried to achieve > two things: > > 1. Differentiate between im

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-16 Thread Oliver Walters
I think you are all correct. During my revamp of the icons I tried to achieve two things: 1. Differentiate between import and export based on arrow direction (generally import arrows are right to left, and export are left to right) 2. Place import icons on the left, and export on the right (follow

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-16 Thread Jörg Hermann
A majority of participants on the ML found the new icons a step forward and we have a commit. We won’t ever reach a point where we can satisfy everybody, so we must live with the democratic majority. All concerns and inputs raised after the commit are sound, valid and wise and should be consider

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-16 Thread Fabrizio Tappero
The attached image shows a comparison between a poorly designed icons and a well designed icon . thank you Fabrizio On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:19 AM, Nick Østergaard wrote: > IMHO the new icon collection looks awful. They are not pixel aligned an

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-16 Thread Fabrizio Tappero
Hi, I do not mean to offend anybody but, for years, there have been people working very hard on the look of KiCad UI (see credits for details). I have designed, and mediated with, the looks of KiCad for several years and I am afraid the icons that have been submitted are not a step forward. When i

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-16 Thread Jeff Young
FWIW, I also agree that the current import arrow is backwards. > On 16 Jan 2018, at 07:11, Marco Ciampa wrote: > > Hi Oliver, your thoughts? > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 09:09:48AM +0100, jp charras wrote: >> Le 15/01/2018 à 08:51, Marco Ciampa a écrit : >>> Hi Oliver, >>> about the bikeshedding

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-15 Thread Marco Ciampa
Hi Oliver, your thoughts? On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 09:09:48AM +0100, jp charras wrote: > Le 15/01/2018 à 08:51, Marco Ciampa a écrit : > > Hi Oliver, > > about the bikeshedding thing I am not even a developer and I have the > > audacity to say my thoughts about the icons!!! > > > > Follows my 0.00

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-15 Thread jp charras
Le 15/01/2018 à 08:51, Marco Ciampa a écrit : > Hi Oliver, > about the bikeshedding thing I am not even a developer and I have the > audacity to say my thoughts about the icons!!! > > Follows my 0.002 euro cents > > My very humble opinion is that the import icon is not that clear and can > be

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-14 Thread Marco Ciampa
Hi Oliver, about the bikeshedding thing I am not even a developer and I have the audacity to say my thoughts about the icons!!! Follows my 0.002 euro cents My very humble opinion is that the import icon is not that clear and can be improved alot in this way: just change the direction and posi

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-13 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
On 1/12/2018 8:19 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote: > IMHO the new icon collection looks awful. They are not pixel aligned and > renders quite fuzzy in many details. > > http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/18/0113/h_1515804843_8735496_c1a004f249.png > > Looking at the the new ones are part of the red c

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-12 Thread Nick Østergaard
IMHO the new icon collection looks awful. They are not pixel aligned and renders quite fuzzy in many details. http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/18/0113/h_1515804843_8735496_c1a004f249.png Looking at the the new ones are part of the red circles and renders fuzzy, while the green one looks more

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-12 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
Oliver, The new icons look great. They are far more coherent than what we had. I merged your patch into the development branch. Thank you for contribution to KiCad. Cheers, Wayne On 01/11/2018 02:54 AM, Oliver Walters wrote: > Wayne, > > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-12 Thread Gerry Sweeney
I have not posted here before although I have been on the list for quite some time. I thought I might post in response to Michael Kavanagh just to relay my experience and offer some guidance (for what its worth). I have driven many product changes that have involved UI design. Not only is it di

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-12 Thread Michael Kavanagh
Can I suggest after v5 UI/graphic design is split off into a separate group with a suitably qualified person in charge (e.g. like the lib/docs maintainers)? With a core team and a UI policy it might make for a more cohesive look and feel rather than several people having a crack at different bits i

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-12 Thread Константин Барановский
Forgot to attach the source of bitmap2component icon. 2018-01-12 14:39 GMT+02:00 Jeff Young : > Agreed. Your bitmap2component idea is excellent. > > > On 12 Jan 2018, at 12:37, jp charras wrote: > > > > Le 12/01/2018 à 13:27, Константин Барановский a écrit : > >> Thanks for your answers. What a

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-12 Thread Jeff Young
Agreed. Your bitmap2component idea is excellent. > On 12 Jan 2018, at 12:37, jp charras wrote: > > Le 12/01/2018 à 13:27, Константин Барановский a écrit : >> Thanks for your answers. What are you think about this icon for >> bitmap2component? > > I do like the pcb calculator and the bitmap2co

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-12 Thread jp charras
Le 12/01/2018 à 13:27, Константин Барановский a écrit : > Thanks for your answers. What are you think about this icon for > bitmap2component? I do like the pcb calculator and the bitmap2component icons. > > 2018-01-12 13:00 GMT+02:00 Simon Wells >: > > I agree wi

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-12 Thread Константин Барановский
Thanks for your answers. What are you think about this icon for bitmap2component? 2018-01-12 13:00 GMT+02:00 Simon Wells : > I agree with Jeff, Not a fan of the pcbnew/modedit/gerbview icons, I don’t > mind the eeschema icon, but also not a fan of the bmp2cmp icon, the only > way i can see bmp2cm

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-12 Thread Simon Wells
I agree with Jeff, Not a fan of the pcbnew/modedit/gerbview icons, I don’t mind the eeschema icon, but also not a fan of the bmp2cmp icon, the only way i can see bmp2cmp being better would be a (well known) bitmap looking square with an arrow pointing to a footprint and/or symbol Simon > On 12

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-12 Thread Jeff Young
I like the more subdued colours in Oliver’s, although I do like your calculator icon (perhaps with Oliver’s pcb colouring in the background). Cheers, Jeff. > On 12 Jan 2018, at 10:22, Константин Барановский > wrote: > > Hi Everybody! > As you know (or not) I'm work on new icons for KiCad for

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-11 Thread Andrey Kuznetsov
Awesome, thanks! Looks good. On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:27 PM Oliver Walters < oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote: > Andrey, > > Here's all I can provide currently (at work!) > > [image: Inline image 1] > > I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately so the merging is > now in their

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-11 Thread Oliver Walters
Andrey, Here's all I can provide currently (at work!) [image: Inline image 1] I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately so the merging is now in their capable hands :) On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote: > Also the attached image of the final icon set was dis

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-11 Thread Andrey Kuznetsov
Also the attached image of the final icon set was discarded, can you please resend the final icon image set? Thank you On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:35 AM, jp charras wrote: > Le 11/01/2018 à 08:54, Oliver Walters a écrit : > > Wayne, > > > > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is s

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-11 Thread jp charras
Le 11/01/2018 à 08:54, Oliver Walters a écrit : > Wayne, > > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below: > > [image: Inline image 1] > > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far > implemented. > > Thanks, > Oliver > Oliver, For some unknown rea

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-11 Thread Oliver Walters
Wayne, I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below: [image: Inline image 1] The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far implemented. Thanks, Oliver On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > I see scope creep happening here. I thoug

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-11 Thread Clemens Koller
On 2018-01-11 11:06, Jörg Hermann wrote: > After all of Olivers work and the amount of time discussed here, I strongly > vote for accepting the changes, as they are a huge improvement. > I agree on keeping the “old” pixelated a and PCB calculator, if that helps > accepting the remaining changes.

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-11 Thread Jörg Hermann
After all of Olivers work and the amount of time discussed here, I strongly vote for accepting the changes, as they are a huge improvement. I agree on keeping the “old” pixelated a and PCB calculator, if that helps accepting the remaining changes. For sure this will not be the last discussion ab

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Andrey Kuznetsov
I agree on Calculator revert, Bitmap revert, keeping the new GBR icon (looks really nice). On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:47 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark < kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Practially I would read this as: > > Go back to the single calculator icon, instead of the +-= boxes. > Revert the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Kristoffer Ödmark
Practially I would read this as: Go back to the single calculator icon, instead of the +-= boxes. Revert the camera icon to the "a" character, cleanup if wanted but dont change concept fundamentally. Otherwise I went throught the old icons in my current build and checked them against the late

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Jeff Young
To limit scope-creep I think the importance of the changes would be as follows: 1) sorting out the damn arrows 2) cleaning up the libedit and modedit icons 3) regularising eeschema, pcbnew and gerberview icons 4) regularising calculator, drawing frame, etc. The largest usability improvements are

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
I see scope creep happening here. I thought the original goal was to make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement of the them. I don't like the camera either. I'm not a big fan of the calculator icon. Both of these icons looks completely out of place with our other ico

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Jeff Young
Splendid! Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon isn’t much help. Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the arrows (which I think is fine). Given that, the pixelated “a” with an import arrow would be perfect. FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with N

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Oliver Walters
> > Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the diskette and > the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if someone wants to create > future icons. They could use the same arrows for any kind of export, > import, save, inspect or view. I have created a set of "common icon

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Jon Evans
This is a common way to test software too, in case we ever want to try to build automated tests. On Jan 10, 2018 09:02, "Kristoffer Ödmark" wrote: I think trying to replicate what this guy does here would be quite time saving wouldnt it? http://scottbezek.blogspot.se/2016/04/automated-kicad-sch

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Kristoffer Ödmark
Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something related to a webcam. The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better. Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the diskette and the folder in the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Nick Østergaard
I think you need to do a side by side comparison with the old and also showcase it with a dark theme. I would also like to see a summary of why specific features was changed on the icons. Otherwise we have not got any further and I think the updates should be rejected. In seven months or so someon

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Oliver Walters
Wayne, Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and replacing with standard load / save icons. I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions. Screenshots here: https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me know if there ar

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Kristoffer Ödmark
I think trying to replicate what this guy does here would be quite time saving wouldnt it? http://scottbezek.blogspot.se/2016/04/automated-kicad-schematic-export.html Basically scripting keypresses, and then using something like scrot to take a screenshot of the intended area. This would keep

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread Jörg Hermann
Hello Oliver, congrats on the huge improvement on the icons! For further simplification I would remove the gray “paper-boundary” on schematic and worksheet icons, citing Jeff Young: “… adding visual complexity without any cognitive benefit”. When Wayne refers to the doc team - I expect the icon

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-10 Thread jp charras
Le 10/01/2018 à 13:55, Jörg Hermann a écrit : > Hello Oliver, > > congrats on the huge improvement on the icons! > For further simplification I would remove the gray “paper-boundary” on > schematic and worksheet icons, citing Jeff Young: “… adding visual complexity > without any cognitive benefi

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Oliver Walters
> > +1 to the Google icon overlays. > I'll have a look into that On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Jeff Young wrote: > +1 to the Google icon overlays. > > On 9 Jan 2018, at 21:15, Jon Evans wrote: > > Inspiration from Google's material design icons? (permissively-licensed) . > These could be ov

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Jeff Young
+1 to the Google icon overlays. > On 9 Jan 2018, at 21:15, Jon Evans wrote: > > Inspiration from Google's material design icons? (permissively-licensed) . > These could be overlaid in the bottom right quarter maybe? > > > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Oliver Walters > mailto:oliver.h

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Jon Evans
Inspiration from Google's material design icons? (permissively-licensed) . These could be overlaid in the bottom right quarter maybe? [image: Inline image 3] [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 2] On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Oliver Walters < oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote: > O

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Oliver Walters
Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the arrows. If not, I'll push a patch. On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (oth

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any time. I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to replace the arro

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Jeff Young
I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much like to see them get merged. Not that I have any control over that. ;) As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away. The colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the alternatives discussed

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Oliver Walters
The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save" and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the arrow colour was the only point of difference. I thought I had made an improvement on what wa

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread eldar.khayrullin
Look at icons created with people already for impressionshttps://icons8.com/icon/free-pack/files/all Исходное сообщение От: Michael Kavanagh Дата: 09.01.18 21:07 (GMT+03:00) Кому: kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Тема: Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread eldar.khayrullin
21:07 (GMT+03:00) Кому: kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Тема: Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons Is there a reason why KiCad doesn't use the standard save icon, i.e. a floppy disk?I think basically every piece of software I have used has the floppy disk save icon and it

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Michael Kavanagh
Is there a reason why KiCad doesn't use the standard save icon, i.e. a floppy disk? I think basically every piece of software I have used has the floppy disk save icon and it might help with the arrow situation. Cheers, Michael On 9 January 2018 at 17:42, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 1/9/2018 12

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote: > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them, please don't >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left arrow versus >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user. >> >

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Kevin Cozens
On 2018-01-09 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote: (I can't tell you how often i clicked load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the reorganization of the official lib.) Pop up tooltips when the mouse is over the icons can also help with that problem. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Rene Pöschl
On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: I'm with Jose on the arrows. If we are going to use them, please don't make the all different colors. I don't see how a blue left arrow versus a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user. I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
I'm with Jose on the arrows. If we are going to use them, please don't make the all different colors. I don't see how a blue left arrow versus a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user. On 1/9/2018 10:01 AM, José Ignacio wrote: > i dislike the arrows on their own > too.  > https://ww

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-09 Thread Kristoffer Ödmark
Good job! Theese are very clear improvements! I must say though, I do not really like the Gerbviewer icon much. The colors are a bit contrasting to the rest of the icons, and I was probably wrong about the GBR thing, I feel that removing the Magnifying glass only on the previous one would be m

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-08 Thread Jeff Young
Hi Oliver, Nice work. A couple of comments: 1) The “new” stars are usually gold in most apps. 2) Are the folded up corners on the schematic and pcb icons really doing us any good (other than adding visual complexity)? It might be time to part ways with them…. 3) I thought we were going to a

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-08 Thread Jean-Paul Louis
Oliver, I usually try not to criticize someone else hard work, but these six top icons are for me the worst I ever saw. Let me qualify. My eyes are not like the ones of a teenager, so the extreme lack of contrast make them to me very hard to read. The only one that at first glance make sense to me

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-07 Thread Andrey Kuznetsov
One more thing about the current lib icon, why are the books/binders of different height? Do not use yellow objects on white backgrounds in icon, yellow is almost always invisible. On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Vesa Solonen wrote: > Andrey Kuznetsov kirjoitti 07/01/18 klo 22:51: > > > The prob

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-07 Thread Vesa Solonen
Andrey Kuznetsov kirjoitti 07/01/18 klo 22:51: > The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books, and > a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are stacked using > a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be stacked straight To me they look pe

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-07 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
I see some poorly stacked books in these images as well and all of which are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons. As I said, if you can pull if off then I'm fine with it. On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote: > Hi Wayne, > > The problem I had with the library icon is that there a

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-07 Thread Andrey Kuznetsov
Hi Wayne, The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books, and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the right to be tilted into

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-07 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
My project leader hat is getting a workout today. Here is what I would like to see: Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are doing away with whole pencil idea. The original blueprint concept for these icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't reall

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-07 Thread Chris Pavlina
"GBR" is the standard abbreviation. Here's the official logo direct from Ucamco: https://www.ucamco.com/images/product_images/image/69/gbrx2_256x256_black_bg.png If we put the name of the format in the icon, it should be loosely based on that. GRB is a horrible idea, nobody abbreviates it to that

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-07 Thread Andrey Kuznetsov
I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see what I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new people will figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much better, besides, the older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon and that's still readable

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-07 Thread kristoffer Ödmark
I agree on all of this points, unsure about the GBR, but i think it might help in the same way that the netlist icon has "NET". In addition the DRC ladybug icon could use the letters DRC. The current set of icons are really "engineer-icons" as i like to call them, they try to tell the entire f

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-07 Thread Jeff Young
+1 to eeschema icon changes +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils +1 to no magnifying glass (the drill file, net and BOM icons all have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber icon) I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation to som

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-07 Thread Andrey Kuznetsov
I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass. By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the navigation looks weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked books, why are they tilted in weird directions? On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells wrote: > if the modedit/libedit icons

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-07 Thread Simon Wells
if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe the pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used to portray edit i believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have them they just seem odd > On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote: > > I have been intending to rever

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread eldar.khayrullin
I agree with Nick and Andrey. Исходное сообщение От: Nick Østergaard Дата: 07.01.18 4:28 (GMT+03:00) Кому: Oliver Walters Копия: KiCad Developers Тема: Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema to the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread Nick Østergaard
I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema to the old one, which made much more sense to me thatn the current one. 2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters : > I have attached a patchset which performs the following: > > 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version > 2. Revert mo

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread Andrey Kuznetsov
You can put "Gerb" in the top 1/5th of the icon just fine, and shrink the black and white sheets a little bit to make it fit. On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: > On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 01:01:08AM +, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote: > > FYI, the 5th and last icons from the left do

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread Chris Pavlina
On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 01:01:08AM +, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote: > FYI, the 5th and last icons from the left do not convey what they are about. > > Perhaps you could add the word "Gerber" at the top portion of the icon and > remove that stupid magnifying glass. I agree, remove the magnifying gla

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread Oliver Walters
Andrey, I agree that those icons also could be improved However I will wait for sign-off from JP / Wayne before I spend any further time on this. If they veto this then I would have wasted my time. Cheers On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote: > FYI, the 5th and last icons fr

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread Andrey Kuznetsov
FYI, the 5th and last icons from the left do not convey what they are about. Perhaps you could add the word "Gerber" at the top portion of the icon and remove that stupid magnifying glass. The worksheet layout shouldn't have a schematic in gray color in it, why is there a schematic in an empty wo

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread Oliver Walters
On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina" wrote: I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted because... I don't know? Many of the new icons

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread Simon Wells
just following on from Nick’s comments, do we really need the page around the schematic icon? i realise its more suitable than anywhere there but could it not be described just as well by having multiple schematic components? funnily enough a lot of these things were bought up the last time ther

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread Jeff Young
Ooops, showing my age there. (What’s all this SMD stuff?) > On 6 Jan 2018, at 14:08, Nick Østergaard wrote: > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and change the pad > colour to the default (yellow). > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread Chris Pavlina
I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and kind of useless. Shou

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread kristoffer Ödmark
I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so i read the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module editor. Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file anyway :) On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote: 2018-01-06 14:1

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread Nick Østergaard
2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young : > +1 > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons. I’d suggest two further changes > though: > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really use the > default colours (dark red symbols, green wires). Then there’s a stronger > tie-in with the

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

2018-01-06 Thread Jeff Young
+1 And I like Oliver’s proposed icons. I’d suggest two further changes though: 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires). Then there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon. 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions fr