Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-13 Thread Tracy Markham
n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, May 7, 2006 7:06:52 AMSubject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering On Sunday 07 May 2006 11:17, Danilo Uccelli wrote: > 2006/5/6, Tracy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I still can't find a TQFP44 footprint for pc

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-13 Thread Tracy Markham
Markham- Original Message From: Dan Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, May 7, 2006 7:06:52 AMSubject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering On Sunday 07 May 2006 11:17, Danilo Uccelli wrote: > 2006/5/6, Tracy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-10 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dan Andersson wrote: > To bring KiCad forward I think it's useful to sit down and really make up a > couple of sets of footprints , a variant for each soldering methodology if > special requirements are needed for max reliability. Perhaps the next step would be to find a good source for footp

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-10 Thread Werner Almesberger
Javier Alberola wrote: > You are right. I suppose that there is no problem with thru-hole modules, For manually produced boards, there might be. E.g., manual drilling often needs relatively large holes/pins. In Pcb, I had to enlarge most pins by 10-20 mil to get something usable. I have hardly

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-10 Thread Javier Alberola
erger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:15:36 -0300 Dan Andersson wrote: > I might have tweaked the pads a bit to increase the ease of soldering I

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-08 Thread Dan Andersson
On Monday 08 May 2006 13:15, Werner Almesberger wrote: >  Dan Andersson wrote: >  > I might have tweaked the pads a bit to increase the ease of soldering > >  I'm wondering if it wouldn't make sense to also classify >  components (modules) by the soldering technique assumed >  for their footprin

RE: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-08 Thread Ehlers, William \(ES\)
urday, May 06, 2006 12:40 PMTo: kicad-users@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering There are also problems with some components. If you get samples from some suppliers of chips, you might get samples taken before the final burn-in procedure. This means you might

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-08 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dan Andersson wrote: > I might have tweaked the pads a bit to increase the ease of soldering I'm wondering if it wouldn't make sense to also classify components (modules) by the soldering technique assumed for their footprints. E.g., wave soldering footprints tend to look very different from re

[kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-07 Thread Bob_xyz
Yahoo strips attachments from messages that are read on the web. I understand that people receiving individual emails or digests do get them. Those of us who don't never see them. Regards, Bob --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "Danilo Uccelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You can tr

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-07 Thread Dan Andersson
On Sunday 07 May 2006 11:17, Danilo Uccelli wrote: > 2006/5/6, Tracy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I still can't find a TQFP44 footprint for pcbnew. > > Tracy N4LGH > > You can try this one, I have reduced  the TQFP64_08 that I use but I have > no 44pins body at home to check it. > > The file is an e

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-07 Thread Dan Andersson
On Sunday 07 May 2006 11:17, Danilo Uccelli wrote: > 2006/5/6, Tracy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I still can't find a TQFP44 footprint for pcbnew. > > Tracy N4LGH > > You can try this one, I have reduced  the TQFP64_08 that I use but I have > no 44pins body at home to check it. > > The file is an e

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-07 Thread Danilo Uccelli
2006/5/6, Tracy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I still can't find a TQFP44 footprint for pcbnew.Tracy N4LGH You can try this one, I have reduced  the TQFP64_08 that I use but I have no 44pins body at home to check it. The file is an export (.EMP), you can use the "Kicad module editor" to import it, an pl

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-06 Thread Dan Andersson
There are also problems with some components. If you get samples from some suppliers of chips, you might get samples taken before the final burn-in procedure. This means you might have moisture in the chips. These chips need to be "baked" in 125C for 24 hours before reflow soldering. The sim

[kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-05-06 Thread Tracy
--- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ehlers, William \(ES\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Before you do this I would go back to the datasheet. You will end up > destroying the device if not the board. Have anyone here actually done this? I have searched and a lot of robotics guys do it this

[kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-04-28 Thread Bob_xyz
--- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, hiroshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's intersting ! I googled "Reflow Soldering Oven toaster" and got many > pages how to do with pictures with out any pay. > I printed those pages and now start to read those pages. > Another resource can be found her

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-04-28 Thread hiroshi
It's intersting ! I googled "Reflow Soldering Oven toaster" and got many pages how to do with pictures with out any pay. I printed those pages and now start to read those pages. Remy wrote: >Maybe something interesting there? >http://www.elektor-electronics.co.uk/Default.aspx?tabid=27&year=2

[kicad-users] Re: Toaster oven soldering

2006-04-28 Thread Remy
Maybe something interesting there? http://www.elektor-electronics.co.uk/Default.aspx?tabid=27&year=2006&month=-1&art=52955&PN=On --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ehlers, William \(ES\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Before you do this I would go back to the datasheet. You will end up >

Re: [kicad-users] RE: Toaster oven soldering

2006-04-27 Thread Dan Andersson
Hiroshi, I tend to agree with Andy on this. A reflow oven is an intelligent convection zone oven where you have pre heating phase, reflow phase and a coling phase. Good reflow ovens continuously measure the surface temp of the tinned PCB for a quality solder process. Still, the chips needs

[kicad-users] RE: Toaster oven soldering

2006-04-27 Thread Ehlers, William \(ES\)
Before you do this I would go back to the datasheet. You will end up destroying the device if not the board. My suggestion would be to find a local company in your area (if one exists) and give one of the assemblers a few bucks to do it for you. If not there are a few prototype assembly ho