[lace] Why so many problems with copyright

2007-04-18 Thread Jean Nathan
Of course the problems with copying have mainly come about because of three factors that I can think of. There are probably more. 1. The ease with which we can now copy - photocopiers and scanners. Before I got a scanner, I always had to explain to the lady in the copyshop that I was allowed t

Re: [lace] Pattern copyright

2007-04-18 Thread robinlace
> Most books carry a notice on the copyright page saying that the book cannot > be resold, but in most cases it wouldn't be practical or financially worth > the author or publisher taking legal action to stop a secondhand copy being > sold Wow, that's hard to believe. If this is so, then al

Re: [lace] Pattern copyright

2007-04-18 Thread lace1
I have just looked in three totally different lace books I have readily to hand and none of them have that statement. I then looked at a couple of recentish novels nearby (because I was sure I had seen some sort of statement somewhere) and they both have wording to the effect that the book can'

Re: [lace] Pattern copyright

2007-04-18 Thread Jean Nathan
Ok, so maybe not all - I've looked at four of my lace books and they don't say it, and I'm not going through all 200 plus. But the first paperback copy of a novel I picked up of the shelf - "The Forsytes" by Suleika Dawson - states on the copyright page "This book is sold subject to the condition t

Re: [lace] Pattern copyright

2007-04-18 Thread Katja Gamby
Hi all, Afaik, publishers destroy old unsold books by tearing off the front cover before destroying them. This means that if you are offered a book without the front cover, neither the author nor the publisher has made any money from it, so it is considered stolen goods. Regards, Katja Gamby

[lace] Spanish Lacemaker Doll on E.bay

2007-04-18 Thread Jenny De Angelis
Hi Trish, She is not just a spanish lacemaker, she is a Catalan one. The strip of Red and Yellow ribbon she is wearing, the stripes are in the Catalan flag. Her costume is the regional one, from the net holding her hair down to the espadrilles tied on her feet, all is typical Catalan regional c

Fw: [lace] Spanish Lacemaker Doll on E.bay

2007-04-18 Thread Sue
Jenny. Sounds like an interesting, exciting and very colourfull day. Sue T, Dorset UK At lace days here there are often young girls dressed in their Regional dress and this that the doll is wearing is typically Catalan. Catalunya is dress, the Giants may pay a visit and possibly the Castelle

Re: [lace] Pattern copyright

2007-04-18 Thread clayblackwell
The reason books have the statement about covers and copyright pages in the US is that paperback books are sent out to bookstores, and if not sold, the bookstore can return the cover and copyright page for credit on their account. The bookstores are supposed to destroy the rest of the book, but

RE: [lace] Pattern copyright

2007-04-18 Thread Angel Skubic
Well, I can tell you right now from just perusing the books I have, that nothing says the books can not be resold. What the craft books say is that you can't reproduce the "contents" or store the "contents" or send the "contents" of the book by any means electronic, mechanical or manually with out

[lace] Re: hummer takes flight - pillow idea

2007-04-18 Thread Tatman
Thank you :) COOL idea, Patsy! About the stacking of foam circles on top for more pillows. Thanks for the suggestion. Altho I do have just as much fun making the tools of the trade as I do making the lace ;) Don't want to hinder my pillow acquisition But I will remember this when I get to a con

[lace] Re: Copyright, and lace patterns

2007-04-18 Thread C Johnson
Very well put, Thanks. Susie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: C Johnson Cc: bevw ; Lace Arachne Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: Copyright, and lace patterns "How wonderful if there was an infinite number of new books available to be bought and an infi

Re: [lace] moving lace - pillow idea

2007-04-18 Thread Sue Babbs
these extra tops for them. You go to the camping section of your local Wal-Mart or other sporting good store and look for a roll of this liner that you put under your sleeping bag. It's blue foam that is a little less than 1/2" thick. It's been a couple years since I bought mine, so I can't

Re: [lace] Pattern copyright

2007-04-18 Thread Lorri Ferguson
My understanding of the phrase (I can be corrected if someone has more official information) "the book can't be resold without the original cover" is that this is for paper back books. If they are not sold at the store they are shipped to, the cover is to be removed and returned, and the remainder

Re: [lace] moving lace - pillow idea

2007-04-18 Thread bevw
> > pillow. We could pin a strip of that blue foam on her pillow, and then > have > another strip ready to use when we move up that strip. Neat! I can use up > some of the waste foam from around the circles I've already cut out Yes, neat! Good idea! It also works to repair old and worn out pillo

[lace] Copyright

2007-04-18 Thread Jean Nathan
I get 75 pence for each copy of my books sold to the original purchaser. I get 75 pence for the one copy bought by a library. There are insufficient borrowings from the library for me to get the 1 penny per borrowing that authors can get (public lending right). Then the tax man demanded his 22 p

Re: [lace] Pattern copyright

2007-04-18 Thread ADELE SHAAK
Hello, everybody: In many (if not most) countries the *intent* of the original law is also considered before an action is deemed to be illegal. For example, the law against reselling without the original cover would mean that if your cover fell off or were somehow destroyed you were out of luck

[lace] Lost Member

2007-04-18 Thread Laurie J. Hughes
If you object to this use of the list, please let me know. I'm at my wits end trying to honor a commitment through IOLI and thought I might make one last ditch effort here because the membership of this list is so broad spread and helpful. If anyone knows Kathleen Morrison from Florida, p

Re: [lace] Copyright/using lace books/other sundry matters

2007-04-18 Thread bevw
some more random ramblings on the matter wanted to use the patterns for free by borrowing the book from the library. > That shows they put no value on the work done by the designer. Would they > be > employed for no pay? Nothing is really 'free' ;) The library user does pay in some way - at

[lace] Query about M

2007-04-18 Thread Susan Reishus
When knitting lace, do you take the M more commonly to mean Make 1 as in regular knitting (knit twice in one stitch or twist and knit into the bar between or in older days, an e wrap), or as a YO in older lace patterns, when not included in the stitch chart? Best, Susan Reishus

Re: [lace] moving lace - pillow idea

2007-04-18 Thread Jo Falkink
What also works, if one doesn't want to invest in the entire sleeping roll, or a remaining piece of oldfashioned under carpet. Or a few layers of the felt of a snooker table, but that would be smelly. Or a hot washed and dried old woolen blanket according to Esther's pillow recipe. Jo - T

Re: [lace] Copyright/using lace books/other sundry matters

2007-04-18 Thread Alice Howell
> It leads me to wonder how libraries here decided to > put lacemaking titles on > their shelves, back in the 1980's . My local library has a few lace books. Most of them contain statements that they were donated to the library by Robin & Russ Handweavers. It's possible that other libraries also

Re: [lace] Copyright/ covers

2007-04-18 Thread Ann-Marie Lördal
What is so important of the cover? I have bought my books from the US in online shops and I think only one or two of them has a cover, the rest of them are like pocketbooks. My three books by Elwyn Kenn has no covers. Do the shops sell "unlegitimate" books then?? Or do they sell different kinds

Re: [lace] Copyright/using lace books/other sundry matters

2007-04-18 Thread Jo Falkink
I rarely borrow from a library now - When I started lacemaking, my father had to feed, and pay tuition(?) for 6 other children. Those days I used to be a jack-of-all-trades with loaned books, but I finally concentrated on bobbin lace. If it wasn't for the library I might have never started at

RE: [lace] Copyright/ covers

2007-04-18 Thread lists
I think there is a difference in terms here. What they are talking about when they say a book without a cover is when you have a paperback book with the cardboard like cover ripped off so that instead of a picture you have a piece of the interior paper on the front of the book. As opposed to a ha

RE: [lace] Copyright/ covers

2007-04-18 Thread lists
I think there is a difference in terms here. What they are talking about when they say a book without a cover is when you have a paperback book with the cardboard like cover ripped off so that instead of a picture you have a piece of the interior paper on the front of the book. As opposed to a

[lace] Apple Blossom Picots?

2007-04-18 Thread TwoHappyBees
Dearest Spiders, I was just perusing the IOLI website to have a look at the Tulsa convention info and was sidetracked by the Pattern Gallery which left me with a question. In the pattern for Debra Jenny's Christmas Ornament, it says that it includes "plaits, leaves, picots, and apple blossom p

Re: [lace] Query about M

2007-04-18 Thread bevw
Best guess - would depend on the appearance of the 'make 1' in relation to the pattern in one respect, however if the pattern has a lot of those, perhaps use the method that is most efficient for the knitting. A YO isn't precisely the same as a make 1 - in the first you are making an intentional ho

Re: [lace] Apple Blossom Picots?

2007-04-18 Thread bevw
If you have Practical Skills the apple blossom picots are described on pag 101 and 102. There is more to the crossing than making a windmill, in order that the plaits and picots arrangement looks snug. oh my, I just looked at the illustration on the following page (6a of pg. 104) which is a double

Re: [lace] Apple Blossom Picots?

2007-04-18 Thread TwoHappyBees
Thanks, Bev. I do have a copy and hadn't even thought of looking there! I must have a look at the double one you mentionedit sounds interesting! Since I haven't pulled out my PS yet, this may be therebut if not, I learned a tip from Christine Springett which others may find useful wh

[lace] Re: beginning Russian lace book

2007-04-18 Thread Tamara P Duvall
On Apr 18, 2007, at 21:57, Sylvie Nguyen wrote: Can anyone suggest a Russian bobbin lace book appropriate for somewhat inexperienced bobbin lace makers? Sebastiana van den Herik's books ("Dieren in kleur" and "Motieven in kleur") have a good introductory section (same in both books, as far as