Re: [leaf-devel] [Shorewall-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Nathan Angelacos
Tom Eastep wrote: > Natanael Copa wrote: > >> Have you thought of lua? should give you better performance than perl >> and would still be small enough for embedded. I can't say I have been >> looking at the shorewall code, but lua is very table oriented, which >> might be good for your table based

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 13:22, Eric Spakman wrote: > We have indeed, but like Kp said it's around 350 kbytes compressed and > only contains the Perl (micro) interpreter. No Perl modules or any > other goodies (this would probably the same with the openwrt ipkg). > Together with a Shorewall interpre

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Eric Spakman
Hi Mike, >Everyone, >It looks like there are some embedded distributions that successfully >built relatively small perl packages. See: > >CPAN/Ports >http://www.cpan.org/ports/ > >Maybe we can glean useful information from existing binary builds to >generate our own package. > I don't see a lot o

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Eric Spakman
Hi Mike, >On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 11:11, Tom Eastep wrote: >> If you find one that looks promising, let me know. I assume that it will >> be limited in some way but I'm used to programming to "the greatest >> common denominator". > >Tom, >It looks like OpenWrt and NSLU2-Linux have microperl ipkg bui

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 11:11, Tom Eastep wrote: > If you find one that looks promising, let me know. I assume that it will > be limited in some way but I'm used to programming to "the greatest > common denominator". Tom, It looks like OpenWrt and NSLU2-Linux have microperl ipkg builds available.

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 11:11, Tom Eastep wrote: > If you find one that looks promising, let me know. I assume that it will > be limited in some way but I'm used to programming to "the greatest > common denominator". Tom, KP and Eric found the smallest one Microperl. The other one is Miniperl. I'm n

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Am Sonntag, 25. Februar 2007 19:45:53 schrieb Mike Noyes: > Everyone, > It looks like we need to see how large a perl package for leaf branches > is. 344kb for Microperl ( a subset of perl) according to a test package by Eric Spakman http://www.leaf-project.org/bering-uclibc/index.php?module=pag

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
Mike Noyes wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 10:45, Mike Noyes wrote: >> I'm not having much luck finding embedded builds of the perl engine. >> I'll keep looking. > > Everyone, > It looks like there are some embedded distributions that successfully > built relatively small perl packages. See: > >

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 10:45, Mike Noyes wrote: > I'm not having much luck finding embedded builds of the perl engine. > I'll keep looking. Everyone, It looks like there are some embedded distributions that successfully built relatively small perl packages. See: CPAN/Ports http://w

[leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone, It looks like we need to see how large a perl package for leaf branches is. I'm not having much luck finding embedded builds of the perl engine. I'll keep looking. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, sitedocs ---

Re: [leaf-devel] [Shorewall-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
Simon Matter wrote: > My question is whether it's possible to use perl for some kind of > Shorewall-accelerator. I mean if it would be possible to create a simple > shell to perl converter which then runs perl instead of the shell and does > exactly the same, then it could be used whenever perl is

Re: [leaf-devel] [Shorewall-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
Mike Noyes wrote: > > > I'd worry when distributions start dropping Shorewall. That's an > indication of decline. > Good point. -Tom -- Tom Eastep\ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool Shoreline, \ http://shorewall.net Washington USA \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public Key

Re: [leaf-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
Paul G Rogers wrote: > Tom, there's an ancient expression, "the fox knows many things, the > hedgehog knows just one thing." I don't prend to understand all the > complications, but I do understand the internet environment is not > getting any safer--it's getting more dangerous. To be sure, the c

Re: [leaf-devel] [Shorewall-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
Natanael Copa wrote: > > Have you thought of lua? should give you better performance than perl > and would still be small enough for embedded. I can't say I have been > looking at the shorewall code, but lua is very table oriented, which > might be good for your table based config files. I suspe

[leaf-devel] Shorewall 3.4.0 RC3

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
I had hoped to be able to avoid another RC but there have been enough changes that I've decided that the safe thing to do is to release RC3. http://www1.shorewall.net/pub/shorewall/development/3.4/shorewall-3.4.0-RC3/ ftp://ftp1.shorewall.net/pub/shorewall/development/3.4/shorewall-3.4.0-RC3/ Pro

Re: [leaf-devel] [Shorewall-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 16:02, Tom Eastep wrote: > Activity on the mailing lists and IRC channel has been steadily declining > for the last couple of years. This signals to me that the rate at which > people are adopting Shorewall is waning (I grant that the documentation has > gotten better over th