Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-07 Thread Scott C. Best
Rick: Heya... > > Sounds doable. Now to find an Angel to front the $25k. ;) > > Egadsnow there's the problem; I can't see sinking $25 into it, > when it's just going to put a badge that most have never heard of > on a single derivative [possibly one that doesn't see a lot of use,

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-05 Thread ssrat
On 3 Feb 2001, at 18:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 04:22:02PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: > > I would suggest the following ideas as part of > > any Open Source product: > > > > * What is your target audience? (a/k/a targeted > > demographic) > > Not only tha

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-05 Thread Mike Noyes
At 11:31 AM 2/5/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 09:45:27PM -0800, Mike Sensney scribbled: >we just do a whole lot of testing and provide a log of the output. > >We could even write a script that does much/all of said testing. > >It would just be important to make sure t

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-05 Thread thc
On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 09:45:27PM -0800, Mike Sensney scribbled: > BTW, we can always create our own professional association with its own > firewall certification criteria. How about the YAFCA? (Yet Another Firewall > Certifying Association) bwahahahahah! I didn't want to be the crazy fool wh

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-05 Thread thc
On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 12:59:06PM -0800, Scott C. Best scribbled: > Sounds doable. Now to find an Angel to front the $25k. ;) Egadsnow there's the problem; I can't see sinking $25 into it, when it's just going to put a badge that most have never heard of on a single derivative [possibl

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-05 Thread Mike Noyes
At 09:45 PM 2/3/01 -0800, Mike Sensney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >At 01:27 PM 02/03/2001 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote > >>At 12:36 PM 2/3/01 -0800, Mike Sensney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>Instead, why not test our "standard" distributions against the list of >>>well know Internet scanning services

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-05 Thread Mike Noyes
At 09:45 PM 2/3/01 -0800, Mike Sensney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >At 01:27 PM 02/03/2001 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote >>https://sourceforge.net/pm/?group_id=13751 >>Security >>Task ID: 25528 >>Summary: Test releases with NMAP and Nessus > >(Add Saint to this list.) > >I would say that scans by NMAP,

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-04 Thread Mike Sensney
At 01:27 PM 02/03/2001 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote >At 12:36 PM 2/3/01 -0800, msensney@mail wrote: >>Instead, why not test our "standard" distributions against the list of >>well know Internet scanning services? For example: the WebSaint scanning >>service. Cost for a complete scan of a single work

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-03 Thread Mike Noyes
At 12:36 PM 2/3/01 -0800, msensney@mail wrote: >Instead, why not test our "standard" distributions against the list of >well know Internet scanning services? For example: the WebSaint scanning >service. Cost for a complete scan of a single workstation/server unlimited >usage is $50 for 3 months

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-03 Thread Scott C. Best
Jack, David, Rick: Heyaz, thanks for the feedback. Some comments below: > > understanding is that the Linux 2.2 kernels > > would not be able to make it since the > > firewalling is not state-ful. > > I bet 2.2 can be back-patched to use 2.4's netfilter; > would that make it stateful?

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-03 Thread Mike Sensney
At 04:16 PM 02/02/2001 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote >On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 03:23:42PM -0800, Scott C. Best scribbled: > > > Okay, sure, some of the ICSA guidelines are good ones...though > > I can't imagine using anything that didn't meet them at the > > very least. > >How about this: >"Meets

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-03 Thread thc
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 04:22:02PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: > > How about this: > > "Meets ICSA guidelines.*" > > "* == Not ICSA certified" > > ICSA might get upset - but in any case, my That's how I figure it anyway. :) > understanding is that the Linux 2.2 kernels > would not be

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-03 Thread Jack Coates
I don't think ICSA certification is suitable at this point in time for the whole LEAF project, but if someone choose to sell a LEAF variant and certify it, that's their own business so long as the source is readily available. > > > (though a successful certification, admittedly, will), but rat

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-02 Thread ssrat
On 2 Feb 2001, at 21:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 03:23:42PM -0800, Scott C. Best scribbled: > > Okay, sure, some of the ICSA guidelines are good ones...though > > I can't imagine using anything that didn't meet them at the > > very least. > > How about this: > "Meets

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-02 Thread thc
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 03:23:42PM -0800, Scott C. Best scribbled: > the certification process. It is expensive: $25k for non-FWPD > consortium members and $15k for members. That's per product > > This leaves me wondering...is it worth it? To reach No way. > a specific target user for LE

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-02-01 Thread Scott C. Best
I think this is going to be a very interesting email. :) So...I contacted the ICSA group today asking about the certification process. It is expensive: $25k for non-FWPD consortium members and $15k for members. That's per product and per platform. I haven't read thru all the doc

Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-01-31 Thread Scott C. Best
David: > > The certification authority you're looking for is www.icsa.net; I > > had a potential customer ask me not-so-long-ago about it > > specifically. > > I know it's probably not a "product" certification, but what about > GIAC? Perhaps we could find a GIAC-certified Security En

[Leaf-devel] LEAF certification

2001-01-31 Thread David Douthitt
On 31 Jan 2001, at 16:21, Scott C. Best wrote: > The certification authority you're looking for is www.icsa.net; I > had a potential customer ask me not-so-long-ago about it > specifically. I know it's probably not a "product" certification, but what about GIAC? -- David Douthitt UNIX System