Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-23 Thread Natanael Copa
Luis.F.Correia wrote: > Hi! > >> -Original Message- >> From: Natanael Copa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>> As a conclusion, i'm looking forward to it. >> Meanwhile, someone else has offered me hosting and has >> already set up a mediawiki and started to add pages there... >> >> Ev

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Paul, > I'm glad to hear that someone with energy and good ideas is looking at > this. > > "In a perfect world" what I'd like to see is binaries come with default > sensible configurations, and the user is simply responsible for specifying > and maintaining divergences from that configuratio

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Erich Titl
Natanael I may have missed most of the 'alpine' info. Is there a URL depicting what it is? thanks Erich --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media.

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Paul Traina
I would love to remove the documentation from the configuration files since it is a PITA to maintain but when I've suggested that idea in the past, the moans and cries have been absolutely pitiful to hear :-) -Tom I agree and stand corrected. :-)

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Tom Eastep
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 09:04, Paul Traina wrote: > Shorewall is another example, > the documentation is in the configuration files. The average shorewall > configuration file has 0 lines of active commands in it (grin) but has > at least 150 lines of comments. It is more correct to say that "

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Paul Traina
Eric, This isn't magic. Debian solved this quite nicely years ago. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Paul Traina
I'm glad to hear that someone with energy and good ideas is looking at this. "In a perfect world" what I'd like to see is binaries come with default sensible configurations, and the user is simply responsible for specifying and maintaining divergences from that configuration. There are a whol

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Tom, > >> There is a very big problem with seperating the configs from the >> packages itself. You loose the consistency between the two. For example, >> if you update shorewall from version 2.x to 3.x (where the format of >> config files change), shorewall won't work anymore. > > This is a p

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Nathan Angelacos
Hi Eric, --- "Eric Spakman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes you do lose, having the configs in separate files but you solve alot > > of other things. > > > > There is a very big problem with seperating the configs from the packages > itself. You loose the consistency between the two.

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Tom Eastep
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 07:40, Eric Spakman wrote: > There is a very big problem with seperating the configs from the packages > itself. You loose the consistency between the two. For example, if you > update shorewall from version 2.x to 3.x (where the format of config files > change), shorewa

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Natanael, > > Paul Traina mentioned some issues with the current apkg (lrp) format: > > >> 2) It's insanely tedious to upgrade the software because the configs >> are still stored with the binaries, and there are no tools for merging >> diffs between the configs (e.g. ucf). > > What I have be

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Natanael Copa
Eric Spakman wrote: > Hello Natanael, >> Meanwhile, someone else has offered me hosting and has already set up a >> mediawiki and started to add pages there... >> >> Even If I don't join LEAF yet, I am willing to cooperate, share >> experiences etc. >> > That would be very welcome! We (Bering-uClib

RE: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Luis.F.Correia
Hi! > -Original Message- > From: Natanael Copa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > As a conclusion, i'm looking forward to it. > > Meanwhile, someone else has offered me hosting and has > already set up a mediawiki and started to add pages there... > > Even If I don't join LEAF yet,

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Natanael, > > Meanwhile, someone else has offered me hosting and has already set up a > mediawiki and started to add pages there... > > Even If I don't join LEAF yet, I am willing to cooperate, share > experiences etc. > That would be very welcome! We (Bering-uClibc team) definitly need your

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Natanael Copa
Luis.F.Correia wrote: > Hi there! > >> -Original Message- >> From: Natanael Copa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> I have been working on something that could turn into >> something that could satisfy this desire of playing with >> newer stuff. It has went under the codename "Alpine" and

RE: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-22 Thread Luis.F.Correia
Hi there! > -Original Message- > From: Natanael Copa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I have been working on something that could turn into > something that could satisfy this desire of playing with > newer stuff. It has went under the codename "Alpine" and have > been mentioned here in th

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-21 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 14:18, Natanael Copa wrote: > On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:31:47 -0800 > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 07:43, Natanael Copa wrote: > > > So my question is: Are there any interest in a new branch in LEAF? (I > > > mean anyone more than Mike Noyes

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-21 Thread Natanael Copa
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:31:47 -0800 Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 07:43, Natanael Copa wrote: > > So my question is: Are there any interest in a new branch in LEAF? (I > > mean anyone more than Mike Noyes ;) > > Everyone, > Here is Natanael's description of Alpine,

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-21 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 07:43, Natanael Copa wrote: > So my question is: Are there any interest in a new branch in LEAF? (I > mean anyone more than Mike Noyes ;) Everyone, Here is Natanael's description of Alpine, for those that may have missed it when it was posted. http://www.mail-archive.com/lea

Re: [leaf-devel] New LEAF branch?

2006-03-21 Thread Venki Iyer
Hi Nataneal, Certainly yes - both as a contributor and as a user. Call it Alpine or ReBering, doesn't matter ... -V On 03/21/2006 09:43 AM, Natanael Copa wrote: Hi, I have been following the interesting discussions in this list latest week moving on to 2.6 kernel and USB drives etc. I