Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread Tony Finch
On 18 Aug 2011, at 19:53, mike cook wrote: > > When the UK converted to metric weights, large numbers of shop owners were > convicted and fined for selling goods on a non existent weight scale > (imperial pound and ounces) instead of kilogrammes., even though the scales > were accurate. Pleas

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread Warner Losh
On Aug 18, 2011, at 12:53 PM, mike cook wrote: > Le 18/08/2011 19:21, Warner Losh a écrit : >> >> On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Gerard Ashton wrote: >>> I would be most surprised if there is an actual written procedure that >>> traffic officers must follow in setting their wristwatches and a spe

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread mike cook
Le 18/08/2011 19:21, Warner Losh a écrit : On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Gerard Ashton wrote: I would be most surprised if there is an actual written procedure that traffic officers must follow in setting their wristwatches and a specified grace period officers must allow before issuing a cita

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread Warner Losh
On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Gerard Ashton wrote: > I would be most surprised if there is an actual written procedure that > traffic officers must follow in setting their wristwatches and a specified > grace period officers must allow before issuing a citation, but maybe the > officers in the U

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread mike cook
Le 18/08/2011 10:30, mike cook a écrit : As I live in France, that doesn't affect me directly, but I will check with the French statutes to see what their definition of time is. Could save me a Euro or two. Just to close the parenthesis. France has had its legal time based on UTC since 1978.

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread Steve Allen
On 2011 Aug 18, at 01:30, mike cook wrote: > Many thanks to Steve for collating and making available this > fascinating and instructive material on his site. Lick and the UC have good libraries, and unsurprisingly they show that the answer to the question "How did things get this way?" is histor

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread Jonathan E. Hardis
On Aug 18, 2011, at 8:50 AM, mike cook wrote: Lawyers like that stuff. And judges, who tend to have overloaded calendars of important matters, like the motto: "de minimis non curat lex." - Jonathan ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leaps

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
mike cook said: >> Have you actually done this successfully yourself, or is this simply >> something that a friend claims he was told someone else told him that they >> know someone who did this? > Well, I have used it as an argument but as I never received > acknowledgement of its acceptance I ca

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread mike cook
Le 18/08/2011 14:59, Clive D.W. Feather a écrit : Have you actually done this successfully yourself, or is this simply something that a friend claims he was told someone else told him that they know someone who did this? Well, I have used it as an argument but as I never received acknowledgeme

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
mike cook said: > My argument is not that the lawmans watch is not to any particular > accuracy , but that it might be showing some value ( time ) that has no > legal existence. Lawyers like that stuff. Judges don't. (Well, it might amuse them briefly, after which you'll get thoroughly and sarca

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread mike cook
Le 18/08/2011 14:06, Gerard Ashton a écrit : On 8/18/2011 4:30 AM, mike cook wrote: Could this be a good argument for getting parking ticket offences thrown out? Under current rules, UTC is an approximation to mean solar time at some meridian that passes through the grounds of the Royal

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On 18 Aug 2011 at 10:30, mike cook wrote: > Could this be a good argument for getting parking ticket offences thrown > out? Maybe if the fraction of a second that separates UTC from "true" GMT (if that's even defined any more) actually happens to make the difference between something being an

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread Gerard Ashton
On 8/18/2011 4:30 AM, mike cook wrote: Could this be a good argument for getting parking ticket offences thrown out? Under current rules, UTC is an approximation to mean solar time at some meridian that passes through the grounds of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich (although not necessar

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread Tony Finch
mike cook wrote: > > Could this be a good argument for getting parking ticket offences thrown out? No because the law in England is pragmatic not literalist. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finchhttp://dotat.at/ Fisher: North or northwest 4 or 5 increasing 5 to 7. Slight or moderate, becoming moderate

Re: [LEAPSECS] the abbreviation UTC

2011-08-18 Thread mike cook
Le 18/08/2011 02:06, Steve Allen a écrit : On 2011 Aug 15, at 10:54, Tony Finch wrote: http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/timescales.html#UTC The BBC World Service still announce the time as GMT and so I wondered if UTC had ever been incorporated in English law. I discovered that an atte