Sam Wallace: The Kirkland attack was horrific – but let's keep some perspective
When he reflects on his attack on Chris Kirkland at Hillsborough on
Friday, the Leeds United fan in question might wonder why he picked the
night the Sky Sports HD cameras were in town – capable of reading the
Spot on Rich. We have to put our own house in order.
On 22 October 2012 10:47, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.ukwrote:
Thanks for posting that Dave, a good article covering the issue of how
badly treated football fans are and how much of our civil liberties have
been removed.
Spot on Rich. We have to put our own house in order.
Great, I'll get some berets and badges made up - perhaps a cravat with
woggle would look good as well and we can start at the next away match we
can both get to, Millwall maybe?
Anyone else want to sign up?
ttfn
Richard
As a cub scout leader I can provide the woggles !!
I do remember the 'Guardian Anglels ' on the trams in Manchester - they did not
last long !
Dave
Spot on Rich. We have to put our own house in order.
Great, I'll get some berets and badges made up - perhaps
As a cub scout leader I can provide the woggles !!
I do remember the 'Guardian Anglels ' on the trams in Manchester - they
did not last long !
Yeah, I think it was the sarcasm they couldn't handle. Being from new york
they were only used to being confronted by meth addicts with guns.
They tried them on the London Underground and they didn't last long there
either.
IIRC they caused more bother than they solved.
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On 22 Oct 2012, at 11:52, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
wrote:
As a cub scout leader I can provide the woggles !!
I do
agreed, an excellent piece. I also liked the fact that Peter Beagrie made the
point on the night around the songs the Owls fans were singing too. Not that
there's any excuses - the bloke's an idiot and unfortunately for him is going
to get a sharp and probably over the top lesson is how
Aaron Cawley, 21, from Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, pleaded guilty at Sheffield
Magistrates Court to assault and entering the field.
He was given a 16-week jail sentence and a five-year football banning order.
The court heard Cawley had been drinking heavily and had already breached two
4 months inside, more than likely released on licence in 2.
Not much detail has been released but I am assuming that the 4 months inside is
for the breach of the previous banning order rather than the assault.
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Leedslist
Oh, no it isn't.
Where an order is imposed in addition to a sentence of immediate imprisonment,
the term of the must be between six and ten years.
In other cases, the term of the order must be between three and five years.
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On 22 Oct 2012, at 13:22, Nigel Sykes
Why can't this guy be given a lifetime banning order? He's breached two
previous ones and assaulted a player on the field? What more does it take to be
banned from football grounds for life? It's amazing how lenient this is.
Sean
-Original Message-
From: Chris Briggs
Pathetic.
Should have got at least 12 months, and a life ban from all football.
Tagged till the day he dies and forbidden from travelling when Leeds are
playing. The law, I'm afraid, is an ass.
M
In a message dated 22/10/2012 13:31:36 GMT Daylight Time,
seanscr...@aol.com writes:
the club have said he will be banned for life
-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
On Behalf Of seanscr...@aol.com
Sent: 22 October 2012 13:31
To: c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Friday night knobhead.
Where an order is imposed in addition to a sentence of immediate
imprisonment,
the term of the must be between six and ten years.
In other cases, the term of the order must be between three and five
years.
I stand corrected.
So anyone know how come he got another 5 years ban, if the minimum
Good to see we're not being reactionary.
FFS the lad pushed someone in the face. He's 21 years old. He is thick and he
was pissed.
Yes he deserves punishing but 4 months in jail, a couple of working hours after
the offence was committed? OTT.
Sent from my iPhone
On 22 Oct 2012, at 13:35,
Which worked really well the last time.
There seems little point in having a members only away schemes if IDs and
membership cards aren't checked. The last time I had my card checked at an
away game was Forest I think...
On 22 Oct 2012, at 14:01, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
I've always had my card checked without fail.
On 22 October 2012 14:40, Steve Mosley st...@stevemosley.org wrote:
Which worked really well the last time.
There seems little point in having a members only away schemes if IDs and
membership cards aren't checked. The last time I had my card
It's a funny one, it would have been useful if the media had given us the exact
sentence pronouncement rather than a summary. This would have contained
information specific to each offence sentenced. We would have found out what he
was charged with and how the banning order was applied.
Sent
It was a very very minor assault and does not warrant 4 months in the big
house, IMHO of course.
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On 22 Oct 2012, at 14:40, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote:
It was assault. Period!
-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org
I didn't on Friday. Just strolled in - good job really cos I didn't have it.
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On 22 Oct 2012, at 14:42, Jim Moran j...@jimmoran.co.uk wrote:
I've always had my card checked without fail.
On 22 October 2012 14:40, Steve Mosley st...@stevemosley.org wrote:
Which worked
It was a very very minor assault and does not warrant 4 months in the
big house, IMHO of course.
True if it had been outside a pub, but it was on a football field, against
a player, during a game.
In my book, that's crossing a line that should not be crossed, and as a
result, the
I wouldn't, honestly.
I think that we are currently going down a very dodgy road in this country.
How many people have been sent to prison recently for saying things on twitter
and so on? Ridiculous.
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On 22 Oct 2012, at 14:52, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
It was a very very
Whilst it could be classed as assault, I have the same opinion as Ian, the
assault alone was not worth a 4 month tariff. In all likelihood, it was
probably a 6 month sentence minus the usual 1/3 reduction for early guilty plea.
It was a single push, no use of weapon, wasn't a sustained attack,
I don't condone what the stupid twat did at all, but far worse assaults
happen on the field, during games, between players all the time.
Having said that, given he seems to ignore his banning orders and has a
long history of football-related offending I think he got what he deserved.
Si.
On 22
I think we just need to be realistic about the sentence for the crime. If it
was your brother or son had been guilty what sentence would you have wanted
them to get and what would have been appropriate?
I'm not defending him - he's an idiot but we've probably all done some stupid
things in
Jeez !
12 months for a push and tagged for life. Are you for real.
From: markbu...@aol.com markbu...@aol.com
To: seanscr...@aol.com; c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Monday, 22 October 2012, 13:34
Subject: Re: [LU] Friday night knobhead.
He went into someone's workplace and assaulted them without provocation.
It's an unprovoked assault by a drunken man who was trespassing on the field
play while in a stadium he was banned from.
I fail to see anything minor
-Original Message-
From: Ian Murray
If he had walked onto a train and punched the guard he would have been
arrested for assault,
if he had walked into a pub and punched the landlord he would be arrested
for assault,
if he had walked into a supermarket and twatted the checkout bloke he would
have been done for assault.
Not enough
From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 22 October 2012 15:05
To: markbu...@aol.com
Cc: m...@leeds-united.net; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Friday night knobhead.
I wouldn't, honestly.
I think that we are currently going down a very dodgy road
It wasnt really a push though was it. it was a deliberate pre meditated 2
handed lung into Kirkland's face
-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Richard Walker
Sent: 22 October 2012 15:21
To: markbu...@aol.com;
Not sure I agree with that. Big difference between physical assault and saying
something that someone else finds offensive. Sticks and stones... and all
that.
-Original Message-
From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
To: 'Ian Murray' ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com; MarkBursa
never fails to amaze me that competitive sportsmen will react like they stood
on a landmine. the natural reaction for most competitive people is surely
retaliation. surprise dave c and his tory chums haven't passed a law yet
outlining the rights of goalies in their own 6 yard box??
The ones I have heard of are racial insults like to Stan Collymore etc.
which is illegal
From: seanscr...@aol.com [mailto:seanscr...@aol.com]
Sent: 22 October 2012 16:11
To: m...@leeds-united.net; ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com; markbu...@aol.com
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Friday
Are you for real? You think MORE people should be imprisoned for saying things
someone subjectively finds unpalatable?
It's a good job Keir Starmer doesn't agree with you. Where do you want to live,
airstrip 1?
In fact, Im outraged by your comments. I think you should be locked away for a
Matt,
In my experience as a Magistrate, I have dealt with many assaults, from
handbags at dawn to long protracted domestic abuse cases, this assault, when
compared to others within the Common Assault categories was very, very minor.
From my own personal experience and just so you can compare
You didn’t racially abuse me though. Big difference between few nasty words
and something illegal. But if we were a little bit stricter and people realised
there were consequences for their actions then maybe people would think twice
about it.
From: Ian Murray
Pretty sure racial abuse on Twitter (or anywhere else) isn't illegal here.
-Original Message-
From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
To: 'Ian Murray' ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:30 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Friday night
That's awful and they should be put away for many many years.
It's not about the comparison, Friday night was wrong, the guy deserves his
prison time.
-Original Message-
From: Chris Briggs [mailto:c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: 22 October 2012 16:29
To: Matt Anderson
Cc: Ian Murray;
But Matt, the comparison is the whole point. They are both within the same
offence guidelines which gives a max sentence of six months. The whole point
about sentencing is that you have to mentally group these things in order to
get a sense of proportion. That is why I chose to put my son down
Mate, I was assaulted 4 years ago by a gang of mask wearing thugs at Wakey
train station. They had previously been abusing my girlfriend who was catching
a train.
I spent a week in hospital and narrowly avoided surgery to remove a haematoma
from my face.
They were arrested but never charged.
Then, the law is an ass! I'm no legal expert. What you have described
could have resulted in permanent injury or worse.
Should these people be allowed out on the street any time this decade?
Society has gone to the dogs! I blame Thatcher.
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From: Chris Briggs
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