Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-02-01 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Anthony wrote: >> >> Strongly agree.  Whether started and/or spread by CC, OSM, both, or >> neither, there definitely seems to be a common misconception that OSM >> is simply a database of facts, > > Well I for one still believe that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-22 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Andrew wrote: > > I hope there is no turf war brewing between Creative Commons and Open > Data > > Commons. > > I wouldn't know. On the other hand, Mike Linksvayer, from Creative > Commons, joined the Licen

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-22 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Anthony wrote: > Personally I'm hoping for a CC-BY-SA which states explicitly that it > does not cover unoriginal facts and that it only covers the expression > half of the idea/expression divide. Ugh, sorry for the imprecise language (this is why I'm thrilled CC'

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-22 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> I think that the misconception from which CC is now distancing themselves is >> that "data should be licensed CC0", not "OSM is a databae of facts". > > Do you think they are also distancing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-22 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I think that the misconception from which CC is now distancing themselves is > that "data should be licensed CC0", not "OSM is a databae of facts". Do you think they are also distancing themselves from the position that scientific data shoul

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: Strongly agree. Whether started and/or spread by CC, OSM, both, or neither, there definitely seems to be a common misconception that OSM is simply a database of facts, Well I for one still believe that OSM is aiming to be a database of facts. and that therefore what's bes

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-21 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Ed Avis wrote: > I think there has been a bit of a crossed wire between 'scientific data' and > 'anything which can be considered as data'.  The position that scientific data > sets should be placed in the public domain seems reasonable (IMHO) but it is > not > di

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-21 Thread Ed Avis
I think there has been a bit of a crossed wire between 'scientific data' and 'anything which can be considered as data'. The position that scientific data sets should be placed in the public domain seems reasonable (IMHO) but it is not directly relevant to OSM because we are not a science project.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Andrew wrote: > I hope there is no turf war brewing between Creative Commons and Open Data > Commons. I wouldn't know. On the other hand, Mike Linksvayer, from Creative Commons, joined the License Working Group conference call on 18 Jan 2011. The discussion was

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-21 Thread Andrew
Kai Krueger writes: > It also has a 60 entry long comment section. Although much is a rehash of > the the endless debates on OSMs own communication channels, > there are also a set of comments by user mlinksva from Creative Commons > (e.g. http://lwn.net/Articles/422754/) that seem to bring point

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-21 Thread Rob Myers
On 21/01/11 00:02, Kai Krueger wrote: I'll try and paraphrase some of the main points and hope I don't missrepresent anyone. I am *very* glad that CC are now publicly acknowledging the harm that Science Commons has caused. I don't know how far CC can go with the 4.0 licences, but Mike's com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-21 Thread Andrew Harvey
Thanks for posting this Kai. Those comments from Creative Commons look promising. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Kai Krueger wrote: > > I'd like to link to a recent interesting article on the OSM licensing change > on LWN (Linux Weekly News) as I haven't seen it be mentioned anywhere yet. > >

[OSM-legal-talk] LWN article on license change and Creative Commons

2011-01-20 Thread Kai Krueger
I'd like to link to a recent interesting article on the OSM licensing change on LWN (Linux Weekly News) as I haven't seen it be mentioned anywhere yet. http://lwn.net/Articles/422493/ It also has a 60 entry long comment section. Although much is a rehash of the the endless debates on OSMs own co