Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

On 04.10.2012 03:10, Ken Moffat wrote: > This time, I've looked at *all* my notes. Some are now so old that > I cannot determine whether a system was x86_64 or i686, and some of > those x86_64 systems were from clfs because LFS didn't support > x86_64 in those days. My attempts to remove the .

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

> From: Bruce Dubbs >>> Do you have any data?  How fast can you get from grub to the login >> LFS 7.2 from grub to login prompt and back with 2.4 Ghz (dual) >> Core i5 on the notebook running in Parallels 8, no SSD: >> >>   SysVinit: 15 sec. bootup, 14 sec. shutdown >>   Systemd : 4.5 sec

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Example: >> >> libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib64/libxml2.la' seems to be moved >> >> This is caused by the symlink /usr/lib64 -> /usr/lib > > Oh. Have you tried not doing that? ...Sorry, could not resist. :-P LOL. Seriously, I don't believe in mu

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

wagnerlia-li...@yahoo.com wrote: >>> Bootup and shutdown times are considerably faster than >>> with SysVinit. >> >> Do you have any data? How fast can you get from grub to the login >> prompt using systemd? sysvinit? What hardware are you using? > > LFS 7.2 from grub to login prompt and back w

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bryan Kadzban wrote: > >>> We can add that to Section 6.64 - Stripping Again. What I've >>> found is that I get a lot of warning messages and sometimes >>> failures when packages try to use the .la files, but just >>> removing them seems to fix things up without causing other

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

Bruce Dubbs gmail.com> writes: > Slightly reformatted, it would be very nice as a hint. Thanks Bruce for your encouraging comments and for uploading the hint. > Chris W. wrote: > > Systemd > > has matured quite a bit since last year and more distributions are > > using it, among them Arch Li

Re: [lfs-dev] Systemd

Ragnar Thomsen wrote: > On Wednesday 03 October 2012 21:12:06 Armin K. wrote: >> So the answer is, just add pam_systemd to system-session. > > I'm afraid this doesn't work. There is still no logind session > started when I run startx. > > Running loginctl only lists the console session, but no X1

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 05:47:27PM +0200, Henrik /KaarPoSoft wrote: > > This was actually much more painless than I had expected; in contrast, > updating to a new version of gcc or gnome is 10-20 times more work (not > to mention upgrading Python, which seems like a project for a lifetime). >

Re: [lfs-dev] OT: Re: How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 07:52:14PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > > Actually it goes much farther for me. It isn't just this package or > that package but a general direction of linux seems to going down hill ( > in my opinion) faster that a snowball headed for hell. Everyone seems to > want someth

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 06:42:40PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the root > directories and /usr. > My initial feeling was very negative - it doesn't seem to affect me (/usr has always been part of / rather than separate on all my buil

Re: [lfs-dev] OT: Re: How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

On 10/03/2012 12:18 PM, Henrik /KaarPoSoft wrote: [putolin] > I am sorry to see this discussion turning into - If AAA succeed in > moving linux to BBB I am moving to *BSD - XXX is a solution trying > desperately to find a problem - The whole thing reminds me of a > patient with cancer - In my

Re: [lfs-dev] Systemd

On Wednesday 03 October 2012 21:12:06 Armin K. wrote: > So the answer is, just add pam_systemd to system-session. I'm afraid this doesn't work. There is still no logind session started when I run startx. Running loginctl only lists the console session, but no X11 session. And authentication as

Re: [lfs-dev] Systemd

Ragnar Thomsen wrote: > On Monday 01 October 2012 22:05:39 Armin wrote: >> If you need anything else, just ask. > > By re-installing consolekit, polkit and upower to get the service files > installed, my system is now functional. > > I also needed to reinstall pulseaudio to fix my sound. > > One th

Re: [lfs-dev] Systemd

On 03.10.2012 20:58, Ragnar Thomsen wrote: > On Monday 01 October 2012 22:05:39 Armin wrote: >> If you need anything else, just ask. > > By re-installing consolekit, polkit and upower to get the service files > installed, my system is now functional. > > I also needed to reinstall pulseaudio to fix

Re: [lfs-dev] Systemd

On Monday 01 October 2012 22:05:39 Armin wrote: > If you need anything else, just ask. By re-installing consolekit, polkit and upower to get the service files installed, my system is now functional. I also needed to reinstall pulseaudio to fix my sound. One thing that was not working, was authe

Re: [lfs-dev] OT: Re: How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

On 10/02/12 18:39, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Baho Utot wrote: > >> If Lennart and redhat succeed in moving linux to systemd I am moving to >> *BSD. I have talked to many BSD developers ( there was a linux fest on >> saturday here) and they plan on sticking to a "scripts" base init >> system. I am curr

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

On 10/03/12 01:42, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the root > directories and /usr. I have rolled my own distro based on LFS+BLFS, and then merged root and /usr. This was actually much more painless than I had expected; in contrast, updating to

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

On 10/03/12 16:13, William Harrington wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 6:43 AM, g@free.fr wrote: > >> I similary think that merging /usr could simplify the build process. > > Hmm that is a good point. I would say don't merge or have usr at all. > How about --prefix=/ or PRE

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

On 10/03/12 03:27, William Harrington wrote: > On Oct 2, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the >> root >> directories and /usr. >> >> If the usr merge is going to happen, just add systemd to core LFS >> while you are at it. >> >

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

On 10/03/2012 11:25 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bryan Kadzban wrote: > >>> While I'm at it, should we remove *.la files in the libraries: >>> >>> find /usr/lib -name \*.la -delete >> As a person who sometimes writes code against libraries in LFS, I'd >> rather not. But this might fall into the same c

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

William Harrington wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 6:43 AM, g@free.fr wrote: > >> I similary think that merging /usr could simplify the build process. > > Hmm that is a good point. I would say don't merge or have usr at all. > How about --prefix=/ or PREFIX= for make? Esthetically, I'd prefer t

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

Bryan Kadzban wrote: >> While I'm at it, should we remove *.la files in the libraries: >> >> find /usr/lib -name \*.la -delete > > As a person who sometimes writes code against libraries in LFS, I'd > rather not. But this might fall into the same category as removing > static libs, or stripping d

[lfs-dev] LFS SVN-20121002 build data

Did a full build last night: x86_64 FAILs and Errors: gcc:FAIL: libmudflap.c++/pass55-frag.cxx ( -O) execution test (twice) gcc:make[4]: [check-parallel-gcc] Error 1 (ignored) glibc: ISO99... Total number of tests : 1776 Number of failed tests :4 ( <1%) Number of skipped tests :

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

On Oct 3, 2012, at 6:43 AM, g@free.fr wrote: I similary think that merging /usr could simplify the build process. Hmm that is a good point. I would say don't merge or have usr at all. How about --prefix=/ or PREFIX= for make? Also, for system overrides, what do we do with /usr/local ?

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

- Mail original - > De: "Bruce Dubbs" > À: "LFS Developers Mailinglist" > Envoyé: Mercredi 3 Octobre 2012 01:42:40 > Objet: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories > ... > As far as I can tell, everything should work as before, but we can > remove some of the things we do to

Re: [lfs-dev] OT: Re: How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

> Baho Utot wrote: > It goes beyond kernel modules, systemd will respawn daemons that have > stopped/failed. Opps slap me silly they are not daemons they are > services now. What's wrong with that? It reminds me of Dan Bernstein's daemontools where daemons are supervised and restarted when the

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

Matthew Burgess linuxfromscratch.org> writes: > That's a really well written document! I think it should be submitted > as a hint > prior to any potential inclusion in BLFS (I'm not confident it will > ever make it > into LFS due to its dependencies, but you never know!). > Thanks Matt for y