Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

Griffin, The more this gets fleshed out on list - the more it departs from any vestige of email and then you're basically talking about shoe-horning a different architectural beast into a transport protocol we happen to know. (I'm not saying ~you~ are planning that - just making an observation of

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 17:07:26 PM -0400, Tim Prepscius wrote: > If you'd like to help me that would be cool.. > > My take on this is this: (these are are not all my ideas, can't take > full credit) > We want to get to a state where an e-mail server is easy to set up. exactly (part of) what I've b

Re: [liberationtech] Bill Gates on Project Loon vs malaria

I think project LOON serves Googles purpose well. Whether it's altruistic, I'll wait and see. Certainly disease and famine are a more important and pressing concern in Africa. I will happily stand with Bill & Melinda re this. I don't think the two issues are comparable, which is where I think Bi

Re: [liberationtech] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:13 PM, adrelanos wrote: > Why not post messages to usenet alt.anonymous.messages? It can provide > great properties for privacy and anonymity. You don't need any servers > or to invent any server software. Just use the existing infrastructure. > > alt.anonymous.messages c

Re: [liberationtech] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

Why not post messages to usenet alt.anonymous.messages? It can provide great properties for privacy and anonymity. You don't need any servers or to invent any server software. Just use the existing infrastructure. alt.anonymous.messages can be used as a big shared mailbox. And the client applicati

Re: [liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down

Kyle Maxwell: > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:41 PM, wrote: >> On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:46:10 +0200 >> Moritz Bartl wrote: >> >>> Repeat after me: Iceland is *not* a data haven. >> >> [citation needed] > > Shouldn't it be the other way around? If somebody claims that a > nation-state possesses specifi

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Re: [liberationtech] Drones for much networking

For those who are not aware, Norwich University is a military academy here in the United States. This is why I thought the "swords into ploughshares" quip was particularly apt, besides it being drones into mesh. It's students using the toys they sell in the student union. But sure. SN On Fri,

Re: [liberationtech] Drones for much networking

..on Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 03:36:19PM -0400, Shava Nerad wrote: > Swords into plowshares, anyone? ;) > > http://www.norwich.edu/about/news/2013/080913-wifiDrone.html Several people have done this and IMO the outcome is equally ridiculous. I prefer my AP to have more than 30 minutes uptime. I also

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Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

I'd like to respond to this just a bit. 1. requiring PGP without giving a user centric means of using PGP doesn't actually solve anything. It's like telling an adult they have to eat stinky tofu. If they love stinky tofu then fine, but if they don't, there is no way it's going to happen. I woul

Re: [liberationtech] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

On 09.08.2013 21:54, Griffin Boyce wrote: > It can definitely be done. At the risk of getting in over my head > cost-wise, this is something I can pay for myself. If you can, fun. :-) First, this needs a proper design. Then, one needs to develop the required pieces of software in a way that it is

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

Tim Prepscius writes: > We want to get to a state where an e-mail server is easy to set up. > And runs with *non governmental* issued ssl certificates. I think this might reflect a misperception of the threat model around misissuance of certificates. If you think governments are likely to use th

Re: [liberationtech] My design to implement PGP in commercial email system

OK, so let's say "someone needs to invent a USABLE end to end encrypted email soon". On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Andrew Lewis wrote: > We have it already. People for some reason don't want to use it. Part > of its usability, part of it is laziness. But it can be done. > > > > On Aug 10, 2013,

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

ooh, I love this discussion. I'll drop in my quick points, and would love to hear other perspectives. 2 points: 1) Is there a "milter" that could be plugged into existing SMTP servers (sendmail, postfix, ...) that could require OpenPGP encapsulation, and immediately reject messages back to t

Re: [liberationtech] My design to implement PGP in commercial email system

We have it already. People for some reason don't want to use it. Part of its usability, part of it is laziness. But it can be done. On Aug 10, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Percy Alpha wrote: > In the light of Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down, someone needs to > invent a end to end encrypted email s

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 02:07:25PM -0400, Griffin Boyce wrote: > This probably sounds very strange, but *what if* someone ran an email > service that required that all mails be GPG encrypted? I did long wish for a system that would send every non-GPG message to the spamfolder. Richard --- Name

Re: [liberationtech] My design to implement PGP in commercial email system

In the light of Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down, someone needs to invent a end to end encrypted email soon -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Persistent violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listi

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

If you'd like to help me that would be cool.. My take on this is this: (these are are not all my ideas, can't take full credit) We want to get to a state where an e-mail server is easy to set up. And runs with *non governmental* issued ssl certificates. Where it provides web-mail (think gmail),

Re: [liberationtech] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

Randolph D. wrote: > use bitmail No. Moritz Bartl wrote: > I wrote a milter for sendmail/postfix to reject non-PGP mail that scans > the first lines of incoming mail: https://github.com/moba/pgpmilter Ooooh. Forked. > My idea of a mail provider: The MX records of domains contain a list of > differ

Re: [liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down

> Has anyone taken a run at would it take to have a independent, > space based data haven? The Constellation project might be a place to start looking. https://lists.shackspace.de/mailman/listinfo/constellation http://aerospaceresearch.net/constellation/aboutconstellation.php -- Liberationtech i

Re: [liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down

On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:41 PM, wrote: > On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:46:10 +0200 > Moritz Bartl wrote: > >> Repeat after me: Iceland is *not* a data haven. > > [citation needed] Shouldn't it be the other way around? If somebody claims that a nation-state possesses specific properties that distinguis

Re: [liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down

You'd have some pretty significant logistical hurdles: commercial launch capability is improving but not where you want it to be, probably, not to mention significant problems with equipment maintenance. Dollars per gigabyte change rapidly when you're talking about rad-hardened systems that you can

Re: [liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down

On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:46:10 +0200 Moritz Bartl wrote: > Repeat after me: Iceland is *not* a data haven. [citation needed] -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Persistent violations of list guidelines will g

[liberationtech] Drones for much networking

Swords into plowshares, anyone? ;) http://www.norwich.edu/about/news/2013/080913-wifiDrone.html SN -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Persistent violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberatio

Re: [liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down

Has anyone taken a run at would it take to have a independent, space based data haven? -Richard --- Richard Graves t: 202-372-6756 t: @RichardGraves On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: > On 09.08.2013 18:34, fr...@journalistsecurity.net wrote: > > This suggests that we need a

[liberationtech] Fwd: An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: > > I wrote a milter for sendmail/postfix to reject non-PGP mail that scans > the first lines of incoming mail: https://github.com/moba/pgpmilter > > My idea of a mail provider: The MX records of domains contain a list of > different entities aro

Re: [liberationtech] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: > > I wrote a milter for sendmail/postfix to reject non-PGP mail that scans > the first lines of incoming mail: https://github.com/moba/pgpmilter > > My idea of a mail provider: The MX records of domains contain a list of > different entities aro

Re: [liberationtech] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

Hi, On 09.08.2013 20:07, Griffin Boyce wrote: > So here's my idea: Barring the honor system, it would require a filter > to look at message content to check for PGP headers. And if said > headers didn't exist, the message doesn't get sent.[1] I wrote a milter for sendmail/postfix to reject non

Re: [liberationtech] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

On 8/9/2013 1:07 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote: > This probably sounds very strange, but *what if* someone ran an email > service that required that all mails be GPG encrypted? > > So here's my idea: Barring the honor system, it would require a filter > to look at message content to check for PGP he

[liberationtech] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

This probably sounds very strange, but *what if* someone ran an email service that required that all mails be GPG encrypted? So here's my idea: Barring the honor system, it would require a filter to look at message content to check for PGP headers. And if said headers didn't exist, the messag

[liberationtech] Revised Liberationtech List Guidelines

A few days ago, we sent a call for suggestions on how to improve the management of the Liberationtech list to prevent further flaming. Thanks to all those of you who submitted your suggestions. After reviewing these, we found that they generally called for the same thing: List subscribers want a

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

I think there would be some value to a system like that. It would address a lot of real world threats but it will not address large scale government monitoring systems, which many governments have (US, China, UK, Iran, etc). Sounds like you should team up with Tim Prepscius with his system tha

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

of course!!! Ready and waiting captain! On Aug 9, 2013 10:37 AM, "Griffin Boyce" wrote: > Thanks for volunteering to help me test the service ;3 > > Brian Conley wrote: > > > > Griffin, make it so!! > > > > On Aug 9, 2013 7:31 AM, "Griffin Boyce" > > wrote: > > > >

Re: [liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down

On 09.08.2013 18:34, fr...@journalistsecurity.net wrote: > This suggests that we need a firm based perhaps in Iceland to offer > encryption services to have any chance of being secure. Please, I don't want to read this myth at least on libtech any more. Repeat after me: Iceland is *not* a data hav

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

Thanks for volunteering to help me test the service ;3 Brian Conley wrote: > > Griffin, make it so!! > > On Aug 9, 2013 7:31 AM, "Griffin Boyce" > wrote: > > Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > > If someone want to make this recipie working, i think that the w

Re: [liberationtech] Bill Gates on Project Loon vs malaria

Those comments by Bill Gates are no more than "blows below the belt." Despicable. He should complain about spending on "erectile dysfunction" (and so many other "rich people ailments) research vs. eradication of malaria, not Internet access, which also is a human right! Best Regards | Cordiales S

Re: [liberationtech] going back to Nadim's original question

Really? This is what this list is for? I thought we were moderated now to end this sort of BS thread? -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Friday, August 9, 2013 at 10:22 AM, adrelanos wrote: > Nadim Kobeissi: > > Jacob has a problem. For years, I have been abused in private and in > >

Re: [liberationtech] going back to Nadim's original question

Nadim Kobeissi: > Jacob has a problem. For years, I have been abused in private and in > public by Jacob regarding my work on Cryptocat, in ways that are so > underhanded that if I described them on this list, you would not even > believe me. He does this to *many projects*. You obviously have no >

Re: [liberationtech] Bill Gates on Project Loon vs malaria

On 08/09/2013 12:25 PM, Kyle Maxwell wrote:> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/09/bill-gates-google-project-loon > > === > > Bill Gates criticises Google's Project Loon initiative > > Former Microsoft chief says low-income countries need more than just > internet access > > === On the

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

Moritz Bartl: > On 09.08.2013 13:15, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: >> Yup, Cryptocat has had build assurance for quite some time. >> "Sorry, not possible to backdoor without people noticing" >> is still a valid line of defence and has been one for a while. > > You should think about splitting Cryptocat so

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > > On 2013-08-08, at 11:53 PM, Mike Perry wrote: > >> It is profoundly encouraging to see that people of such courage and >> integrity as the Lavabit staff exist, and are willing to put everything >> on the line to stand up against this madne

[liberationtech] Lavabit, Silent Circle both shut down

This suggests that we need a firm based perhaps in Iceland to offer encryption services to have any chance of being secure. The story also notes that US agencies are allowed to keep any encrypted messages they intercept indefinitely. http://www.informationweek.com/security/privacy/lavabit-silent-c

[liberationtech] Bill Gates on Project Loon vs malaria

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/09/bill-gates-google-project-loon === Bill Gates criticises Google's Project Loon initiative Former Microsoft chief says low-income countries need more than just internet access === Google's Project Loon initiative wants to provide internet access

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

On 09 August, 2013 - Moritz Bartl wrote: > On 09.08.2013 13:15, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > > Yup, Cryptocat has had build assurance for quite some time. > > "Sorry, not possible to backdoor without people noticing" > > is still a valid line of defence and has been one for a while. > > You should thi

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

Griffin, make it so!! On Aug 9, 2013 7:31 AM, "Griffin Boyce" wrote: > Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > > If someone want to make this recipie working, i think that the world > > would appreciate with an "easy to be setup, independently run, audio, > > video, file transfer, chat infrastructure a

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

On 8/9/13 5:34 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > Also, weren't NSLs ruled unconstitutional recently? NK Yes. However... NSLs have been ruled unconstitutional several times beginning in 2004 [1] with my case ( Doe v. Ashcroft / Doe v. Gonzalez / Doe v. Mukasey / Doe v. Holder ) and then again in 2007 [

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

Thankfully Cryptocat can be used with a custom server. They can shut down a server but they can't prevent new servers being configured. Hence the importance of decentralized open-source software. On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > > On 2013-08-09, at 11:31 AM, Ali-Reza Angha

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

On 09.08.2013 13:15, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > Yup, Cryptocat has had build assurance for quite some time. > "Sorry, not possible to backdoor without people noticing" > is still a valid line of defence and has been one for a while. You should think about splitting Cryptocat software development and

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > If someone want to make this recipie working, i think that the world > would appreciate with an "easy to be setup, independently run, audio, > video, file transfer, chat infrastructure accessible with a web > browser" . Welp, there goes my weekend. Dangit, naif! ;

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

On Fri Aug 9 09:42:49 2013, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > To be true, i invested 4 weeks of trolling on IETF WebRTC mailing list > sustaining the need to support "also SDES" in order to provide > interoperability with existing VoIP world from day 1. ::) I think I'm solidly with EKR on this.

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

Il 8/9/13 3:29 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall ha scritto: > On Fri Aug 9 06:55:12 2013, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: >> This is because with OpenFire + Chrome you can also do end-to-end >> encrypted WebRTC Audio/Video call. > Firefox nightlies, as far as I'm aware, also provide WebRTC capability > th

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

On Fri Aug 9 06:55:12 2013, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > > This is because with OpenFire + Chrome you can also do end-to-end > encrypted WebRTC Audio/Video call. Firefox nightlies, as far as I'm aware, also provide WebRTC capability these days (based on DTLS-SRTP... they voted down at last

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

On 2013-08-09, at 1:55 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > Il 8/9/13 10:59 AM, Julien Rabier ha scritto: >> Le 09 août - 11:48, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit : >>> On 2013-08-09, at 11:31 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > For what it'

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

On 2013-08-09, at 1:24 PM, Nick wrote: > On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:26:21AM +0300, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: >> On 2013-08-08, at 11:53 PM, Mike Perry wrote: >>> It is profoundly encouraging to see that people of such courage and >>> integrity as the Lavabit staff exist, and are willing to put ever

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

Il 8/9/13 10:59 AM, Julien Rabier ha scritto: > Le 09 août - 11:48, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit : >> On 2013-08-09, at 11:31 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: For what it's worth, and even though I think it's pretty unlikely that Crypto

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:26:21AM +0300, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > On 2013-08-08, at 11:53 PM, Mike Perry wrote: > > It is profoundly encouraging to see that people of such courage and > > integrity as the Lavabit staff exist, and are willing to put everything > > on the line to stand up against th

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

Use this p2p email http://bitmail.sf.net Am 09.08.2013 11:57 schrieb "Jillian C. York" : > I think Nadim is referring to this: > > > https://www.eff.org/press/releases/national-security-letters-are-unconstitutional-federal-judge-rules > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:

[liberationtech] FW: [Dewayne-Net] NSA to cut system administrators by 90 percent to limit data access

-Original Message- From: dewayne-...@warpspeed.com [mailto:dewayne-...@warpspeed.com] On Behalf Of Dewayne Hendricks Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 4:17 PM To: Multiple recipients of Dewayne-Net Subject: [Dewayne-Net] NSA to cut system administrators by 90 percent to limit data access [Note

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

I think Nadim is referring to this: https://www.eff.org/press/releases/national-security-letters-are-unconstitutional-federal-judge-rules On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > > On 2013-08-09, at 11:59 AM, Julien Rabier wrote: > > > Le 09 août - 11:48, Nadim Kobeissi a écri

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

> Also, weren't NSLs ruled unconstitutional recently? > > NK I don't remember that, but I do remember hearing the FISC ruled some of the NSA's activities unconstitutional….in 2011. http://www.ibtimes.com/fisc-will-not-object-release-2011-court-opinion-confirmed-nsas-illegal-surveillance-13050

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

On 2013-08-09, at 11:59 AM, Julien Rabier wrote: > Le 09 août - 11:48, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit : >> >> On 2013-08-09, at 11:31 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: For what it's worth, and even though I think it's pretty unlikely that

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 04:31:10AM -0400, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote: > You're right but that should provide little comfort - when they come > after the non-business platform libtech to cypherpunk services - they > don't use legal orders. It gets much worse. -Ali "They" better be global then. And "th

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

Le 09 août - 11:48, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit : > > On 2013-08-09, at 11:31 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > >> For what it's worth, and even though I think it's pretty unlikely that > >> Cryptocat will receive such an order, > > *snip* > >

Re: [liberationtech] FW: Lavabit down ...

I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit. >> Ladar Levison Thank you Ladar for your statement, your gesture and your excellent service in the past years.

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

On 2013-08-09, at 11:31 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote: > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: >> For what it's worth, and even though I think it's pretty unlikely that >> Cryptocat will receive such an order, > *snip* > > You're right but that should provide little comfort - whe

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > For what it's worth, and even though I think it's pretty unlikely that > Cryptocat will receive such an order, *snip* You're right but that should provide little comfort - when they come after the non-business platform libtech to cypherpunk

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

On 2013-08-08, at 11:53 PM, Mike Perry wrote: > It is profoundly encouraging to see that people of such courage and > integrity as the Lavabit staff exist, and are willing to put everything > on the line to stand up against this madness. +1. For what it's worth, and even though I think it's pre