[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Bass wrote: How about if we agree to a Duel, and you shoot first and miss, and suddenly you decide to Unilaterally withdraw your consent to the game? I.DON'T.THINK.SO - I'm afraid I'm gonna have to

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
Despite its appearance as the A in NAP, I do not use (or try to define) the word aggression. Can't imagine where you got all that you write below. I do use the term Initiation Of Force. And I have agreed that words like Wealth are sometimes vague or ambiguous, and that we can still talk about

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
Zack Bass wrote: Despite its appearance as the A in NAP, I do not use (or try to define) the word aggression. Can't imagine where you got all that you write below. I do use the term Initiation Of Force. And I have agreed that words like Wealth are sometimes vague or ambiguous, and that we

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: NAP/ZAP simplified for the masses

2008-10-07 Thread Valentine Michael Smith
Thou shalt not steal. Gary F. York wrote: Zack Bass wrote: Despite its appearance as the A in NAP, I do not use (or try to define) the word aggression. Can't imagine where you got all that you write below. I do use the term Initiation Of Force. And I have agreed that words like

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fathers and sons are not the same people. Milton was a minarchist (at best), David is an anarchist. (As my father was a violent drunk and I am a mellow lush). And my father would agree as readily as I. Most anarchists use the term ZAP (Zero Aggression

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
Thanks for the pointer. G. Zack Bass wrote: He went to Satellite Radio and I lost track of him, he's probably still on, what's his last name... Yes, here it is, Phil Hendry: http://www.philhendrieshow.com/ --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
You seem to presume that 'unilateral cancellation of contract' can be done with impunity. Don't believe I ever suggested that. G. Zack Bass wrote: --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Admittedly, even as I construe NAP, such a show

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Wraith
At 08:07 AM 10/7/2008, you wrote: mailto:wdg3rd%40comcast.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fathers and sons are not the same people. Milton was a minarchist (at best), David is an anarchist. (As my father was a violent drunk and I am a mellow lush). And my father would agree as readily as I.

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
Wraith wrote: At 08:07 AM 10/7/2008, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:wdg3rd%40comcast.net wrote: Fathers and sons are not the same people. Milton was a minarchist (at best), David is an anarchist. (As my father was a violent drunk and I am a mellow lush). And my father would

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Gary F. York was heard to say: I gather you're speaking of the 'draft Neil to run on the libertarian ticket for president' thing rather than Harry Browne. In the county where I was living at the time of the 2000

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
Competing Agencies for all sorts of things is a great idea, including Law Enforcement. But the Law itself ought not to be on the table; non-NAP Justice Agencies are almost certain to be more powerful than a NAP Agency, since there is huge profit in getting over on Victims by Initiating Force.

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only problem, for me, is that I wouldn't want to live there. Now I feel confident that you will immediately assert: Then you're not a libertarian. Not at all. In fact I stated just yesterday, I think

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Way ta go, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Dennis Lee Wilson
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Zack Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Anarchists like to think in terms of some Government shoving shit down the throats of a poor oppressed innocent populace. That is hardly ever the case (ignore the Bailout). Way ta go, Zack! Reality be

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Admittedly, even as I construe NAP, such a show would be permissible. Mind you, I hope that I'd try to screw them up -- attempt to get others to shun the producers _and_ the 'winner'. I'd like to see

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Korac MacArthur
--- On Sat, 10/4/08, Zack Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Zack Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack! To: LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 1:51 PM Just so. Thank you. But I think

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Way ta go, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Zack Bass zakbas@ wrote: [snip] Anarchists like to think in terms of some Government shoving shit down the throats of a poor oppressed innocent

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
I think it's a silly change, NAP is quite good enough. In fact, NAP has more zing, I think; now that the national Libertarian Party is down the tubes, I'd like to see a PowerNAP Party. --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Bass wrote: How about if there is a Clause in the Contract that Kevin may, if Jane is in substantial default for any reason, excise one pound of flesh from any part of her body he chooses?

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
Zack Bass wrote: --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Bass wrote: How about if there is a Clause in the Contract that Kevin may, if Jane is in substantial default for any reason, excise one pound of flesh from any part of her

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
To clarify your position, consider the following: One day Jane says, I'm tired of this, let's do something else, and Kevin says, No, this is what I'm into today, keep it up, and Jane says I refuse! I hereby abrogate this Contract! Sue me! And then either: (1) Kevin gets out the manacles and

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not helping you enforce your definition of contract Once again: I STATED CLEARLY THAT I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT GETTING SOMEONE ELSE TO ENFORCE THE CONTRACT. I am talking about whether or not YOU consider

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
As is usual in these discussion groups, the first one to wield the word semantic wins. Nyah nyah nyah. --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Zack Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York gfyork@ wrote: I'm not helping you

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
Minarchists who want a government as small and unobtrusive as feasible I consider, fellow travelers. So what if they want to start small and work down; they'll discover that no government is 'feasible' eventually. Many libertarians begin as minarchists and, after educating themselves in the

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
Zack Bass wrote: Where I live, a year ago, the County Commission voted to get rid of the evil Wetlands Division of the Environmental Protection Commission of Hillsborough County. I was of course in support of this; I even commandeered their Domain Name: http://epchc.com/ (please see this

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
They say it's lonely at the top. I expect hill country has a lot of tops. G. Curt Howland wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Gary F. York was heard to say: I gather you're speaking of the 'draft Neil to run on the libertarian ticket

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
Zack Bass wrote: As is usual in these discussion groups, the first one to wield the word semantic wins. Nyah nyah nyah. Cute. Are those the kind of battles you usually elect to wage? :) (Actually, wrangling over semantics can be useful when your carefully working out how to state

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Bass wrote: The exact same thing, via different mechanisms but the same result, will occur in AnCap. All those little old ladies who want to outlaw Lap Dancing will still have the same power that

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you'll agree that there are a lot of people out there who want to capture the government and use the power of the governmental fist to make you (and others) behave as they wish. And if it is not

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for my neighbors, the only time they have bothered me is when I was bothering them. Could you keep the noise down, please? (I used to party kinda heavy.) And I'll bet if you take a survey, for every

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
To clarify your position, consider the following: One day Jane says, I'm tired of this, let's do something else, and Kevin says, No, this is what I'm into today, keep it up, and Jane says I refuse! I hereby abrogate this Contract! Sue me! And then either: (1) Kevin gets out the manacles and

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
Zack, Is your confusion resolved if I underline _my_? As in, If _my_ protection agency G. Zack Bass wrote: --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Bass wrote: The exact same thing, via different mechanisms but the same

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
(1) Califah and Djelibebih agree to a Duel with single-shot pistols. Califah shoots first and kills Djelibebih. Do YOU consider that an Initiation Of Force? (2) Same scenario, except Califah shoots and misses and immediately cries, I withdraw my consent to this travesty! Djelibebih shoots

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
Zack Bass wrote: To clarify your position, consider the following: One day Jane says, I'm tired of this, let's do something else, and Kevin says, No, this is what I'm into today, keep it up, and Jane says I refuse! I hereby abrogate this Contract! Sue me! And then either: (1) Kevin gets

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Wraith
At 05:11 PM 10/7/2008, you wrote: --- In mailto:LibertarianEnterprise%40yahoogroups.comLibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Bass wrote: The exact same thing, via different mechanisms but the same result, will occur in AnCap. All those

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not different at all. You want the government to make everyone behave as _you_ believe they ought. No, I don't care whether there is a Government or not. I do want some way to ensure that no one will

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Bass wrote: Califah shoots and misses and immediately cries, I withdraw my consent to this travesty! Djelibebih shoots anyhow and kills Califah. Do YOU consider that an Initiation Of Force by

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: CONGRATULATIONS, Zack!

2008-10-07 Thread Gary F. York
Zack Bass wrote: --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Gary F. York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zack Bass wrote: Califah shoots and misses and immediately cries, I withdraw my consent to this travesty! Djelibebih shoots anyhow and kills Califah. Do YOU consider that an