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> IMO, instead of the spaces over margins, our usual metaphor for text not
> fitting to the space - which is a red triangle showing "more content outside
> of the bounds" - could be used instead.
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--- Comment #60 from Mike Kaganski ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #57)
> Hmm, enabled that Writer Compatibility option (undocumented bug 131235) but
> that doesn't seem to provide this behavior:
>
> MS Word user forums sugg
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--- Comment #59 from Mike Kaganski ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #58)
> IMO, instead of the spaces over margins, our usual metaphor for text not
> fitting to the space - which is a red triangle showing "more content outside
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--- Comment #58 from Mike Kaganski ---
(In reply to William Friedman from comment #56)
> This bug report involved two different elements which got conflated. My main
> issue was the cursor display issue, which results in actually buggy be
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--- Comment #57 from V Stuart Foote ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #55)
> (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #54)
> > However, I still would like to see us implement a convenient trim function
> > as enhancement. Perhap
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--- Comment #56 from William Friedman ---
> The discussion got too long. What is the current status of the discussion?
This bug report involved two different elements which got conflated. My main
issue was the cursor display issue, which
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--- Comment #55 from Mike Kaganski ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #54)
> However, I still would like to see us implement a convenient trim function
> as enhancement. Perhaps follow the MS "on center" truncation as noted
> co
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--- Comment #54 from V Stuart Foote ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #53)
> The discussion got too long. What is the current status of the discussion?
Thanks for the reference Mike.
Reading Unicode UAX#14, 5.1 line break cla
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--- Comment #53 from Mike Kaganski ---
(In reply to William Friedman from comment #0)
> 2. Type a line of spaces. Notice that the cursor goes beyond the end of the
> line.
>
> ...
>
> Actual Results:
> Cursor goes past the end of the ma
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--- Comment #51 from William Friedman ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #50)
> (In reply to William Friedman from comment #49)
> > However, I want to raise a few questions:
> I suggest to keep it simple. One option to have a diff
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--- Comment #50 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to William Friedman from comment #49)
> However, I want to raise a few questions:
I suggest to keep it simple. One option to have a different behavior, and keep
the current otherwise.
> 2)
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--- Comment #49 from William Friedman ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #48)
> Putting all together it sounds reasonable to add an option under Tools >
> Writer > Compatibility and let the user decide whether spaces at the line
>
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--- Comment #46 from László Németh ---
Not visible text cursor and search selection are definitely regressions.
It's possible to revert the cursor moving part of the original fix for the
broken layout problem. Other option is to improve
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--- Comment #45 from Attila Szűcs ---
(In reply to William Friedman from comment #44)
> Created attachment 187634 [details]
> Document showing another cursor problem
>
> The attached document suffers from another problem with cursor plac
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Document showing another cursor problem
The attached document suffers from another problem
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--- Comment #43 from Justin L ---
Not my area. Nothing of value to add.
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--- Comment #41 from Attila Szűcs ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #40)
I may misunderstand you... but the way we justify the text is not an attempt
from us, but rather a standard .. it is used everywhere for many years, and
p
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--- Comment #40 from V Stuart Foote ---
Point is that *no* multi-line paragraph would ever begin or end in a run of
, only some misguided effort to directly format using spaces. I've no
issue with a 3 or 5 character DF fixed indent, but
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--- Comment #39 from Attila Szűcs ---
The only really important thing is that tha seenable (printed) text.. i was
very careful to not harm the layout..
all other things like, how spaces / cursor is displayed, is just a design
question..
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--- Comment #38 from Attila Szűcs ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #35)
> Sorry, should have been clear. Place your cursor into the run of spaces and
> add another space. I'll attach a screen capture.
We already mentioned tha
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--- Comment #37 from Attila Szűcs ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #33)
> Unfortunately not clear that is a viable definition of justified paragraphs.
> Especially as the other "alignments" provide empty space before or after
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animated GIF of issue, edit cursor way of canvas
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--- Comment #35 from V Stuart Foote ---
(In reply to Attila Szűcs from comment #34)
> (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #31)
> > Created attachment 187620 [details]
> > silly FODT showing issue
> >
> > Add one extra space to this
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--- Comment #34 from Attila Szűcs ---
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> Created attachment 187620 [details]
> silly FODT showing issue
>
> Add one extra space to this one line paragraph of justified text. Watch what
> happe
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--- Comment #33 from V Stuart Foote ---
(In reply to Attila Szűcs from comment #30)
>
>... justified means, the line ends with a
> letter, and the next line start with a letter... all spaces between them
> must be on margins..
Unfortuna
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--- Comment #32 from V Stuart Foote ---
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> Created attachment 187620 [details]
> silly FODT showing issue
>
> Add one extra space to this one line paragraph of justified text. Watch what
> hap
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silly FODT showing issue
Add one extra space to this one line paragraph of justified text. W
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--- Comment #30 from Attila Szűcs ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #29)
> Agree, but that would be just one (1) space of the line of text. The rest
> *should* wrap to the start of the following line (or better simply be
> trun
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--- Comment #29 from V Stuart Foote ---
(In reply to Attila Szűcs from comment #27)
>
> i just answered this at comment 23:
>
> "justified alignment means text are from left margin to right margin... so,
> spaces after last letter MUST
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--- Comment #28 from V S
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--- Comment #27 from Attila Szűcs ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #25)
> (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #24)
> > (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #21)
> > >- Any new document would have sane line wrap...
>
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--- Comment #26 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #25)
> ...for what *purpose* do we allow this text to extend "dangling" outside a
> paragraph...
We follow the example of Microsoft blocking the abuse of spac
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--- Comment #25 from V Stuart Foote ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #24)
> (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #21)
> >- Any new document would have sane line wrap...
> What justifies a line break per space?
>
> IMO,
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--- Comment #24 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #21)
>- Any new document would have sane line wrap...
What justifies a line break per space?
IMO, there is no good reason to indent a single line and to
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--- Comment #23 from Attila Szűcs ---
justified alignment means text are from left margin to right margin... so,
spaces after last letter MUST be on the margin.
dropping spaces to new line wont help here.. only if we break the justified
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--- Comment #22 from William Friedman ---
I very much appreciate Attila's detailed analysis and especially his concern
with breaking older docs. I certainly agree that existing users should not be
penalized for having made docs that worke
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--- Comment #21 from V Stuart Foote ---
As this has moved into the UX-advise arena, I would move to truncate the
excessive spaces aggressively.
- Any new document would have sane line wrap and paragraph/page/cell margin.
- Any
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--- Comment #20 from Attila Szűcs ---
About following MS... i only made visible the spaces after line end (over
margin), and made the cursor visible there too.
Those spaces was already there, and the user was able to navigate there, but
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--- Comment #19 from William Friedman ---
Thank you everyone for the engagement around this issue.
I agree with V. Stuart Foote's comment #18: "we really should be breaking lines
at paragraph/object margins--wrap like other sane word pro
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--- Comment #18 from V Stuart Foote ---
Sorry, clearly not a Harfbuzz issue--spaces are stamped correctly between
actual text.
Whole question is interesting in that MS Word apparently had (through Word
2010, and still supported for .doc
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--- Comment #17 from Heiko Tietze ---
Breaking the white space has no value; the hanging indent should be done via
paragraph attribute.
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--- Comment #16 from خالد حسني ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #14)
> @Khaled, could this be a Harfbuzz composition issue? What width for a space
> is used for composing line wrap position a line of text against
> document/p
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--- Comment #13 from William Friedman ---
Thank you, Attila, for the detailed response. I have never used MS Word in any
sustained way (or, for that matter, in any occasional way), so I can't speak to
their design choices. In one of the t
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sorry for the typo, the 3. ticket was tdf#120715
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--- Comment #11 from Attila Szűcs ---
I think this bug report should be rethinked.. and maybe some smaller feature
request could be enought for you..
But it is a complex situation and many ideas could be problem for someone
else...
becau
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(In reply to Stéphane Guillou (stragu) from comment #9)
> Telesto, what do you mean by "
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--- Comment #6 from William Friedman ---
Hi Stéphane,
I read the thread you referred to, and the current behavior of the program does
not match the request in that thread. The idea proposed there was to provide a
numerical indicator when
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Repro
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--- Comment #2 from William Friedman ---
In response to the reference to bug 104668, I tested with "Word-compatible
trailing blanks" on and off (it was off by default), which made no difference.
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