Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-08 Thread Petr Mladek
Robert Großkopf píše v Čt 07. 02. 2013 v 19:52 +0100: Hi *, + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52571 + BASE VBA DELETE COLUMN OR TABLE DOESN'T CHANGE THE SURFACE + minimalistic report = hard to understand + 5 months ago asked for more details and no answer

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-08 Thread Petr Mladek
Florian Reisinger píše v Čt 07. 02. 2013 v 16:36 +0100: 71,43% NO INPUT 28,57% SHOULD BE REVIEWED I think what might be a globally acceptable solution for our problem: + 20%-30% of wrongly closed bugs is relatively high number. It is realistic. I think that it corresponds

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-08 Thread Florian Reisinger
Hi Petr, all, Thanks for your long mail... Am 08.02.2013 um 16:56 schrieb Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz: Florian Reisinger píše v Čt 07. 02. 2013 v 16:36 +0100: 71,43% NO INPUT 28,57% SHOULD BE REVIEWED I think what might be a globally acceptable solution for our problem: + 20%-30% of

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-07 Thread Petr Mladek
Alex Thurgood píše v St 06. 02. 2013 v 14:09 +0100: Le 06/02/2013 13:19, Michael Stahl a écrit : how many of your bugs are in NEEDINFO state? if the problem is really developer attention (and i don't doubt that this is the case for many bugs) then they should not be in NEEDINFO state

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-07 Thread Alex Thurgood
Le 07/02/2013 13:32, Petr Mladek a écrit : Hi Petr, I am confused. Are these bugs in NEEDINFO just because nobody found time to confirm them? If this is true, they should be in the state UNCONFIRMED. The bugs should be in the state NEEDINFO only when they can't be reproduced because an

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-07 Thread Petr Mladek
Alex Thurgood píše v Čt 07. 02. 2013 v 14:17 +0100: Le 07/02/2013 13:32, Petr Mladek a écrit : Hi Petr, I am confused. Are these bugs in NEEDINFO just because nobody found time to confirm them? If this is true, they should be in the state UNCONFIRMED. The bugs should be in the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-07 Thread Florian Reisinger
Hi, I do something similar with my kill list [1] Am 07.02.2013 15:31, schrieb Petr Mladek: Alex Thurgood píše v Čt 07. 02. 2013 v 14:17 +0100: Le 07/02/2013 13:32, Petr Mladek a écrit : [...] Do you have other opinion, feeling, or experience, please? Best Regards, Petr I took 7 bugs out

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-07 Thread Robert Großkopf
Hi *, + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52571 + BASE VBA DELETE COLUMN OR TABLE DOESN'T CHANGE THE SURFACE + minimalistic report = hard to understand + 5 months ago asked for more details and no answer + 2 months ago pinged = should get closed

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-07 Thread Robert Großkopf
Hi Petr, Also you could pay someone to work on a certain bug. There is a growing list of certified developers which are capable of doing such things. These are well spend money because they improve the product and motivate people working on LO. Don't know, if you know, to whom you are

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-06 Thread Petr Mladek
Alex Thurgood píše v St 06. 02. 2013 v 10:40 +0100: Le 05/02/2013 13:03, Petr Mladek a écrit : All, After suffering from the last two mass closure / re-initialisations of status of a fair number of bugs I had spent time in opening, but for lack of a dedicated developer / interest in those

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-06 Thread Alex Thurgood
Le 06/02/2013 13:19, Michael Stahl a écrit : how many of your bugs are in NEEDINFO state? if the problem is really developer attention (and i don't doubt that this is the case for many bugs) then they should not be in NEEDINFO state and you won't get any mails. I was commenting more from

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-06 Thread Robert Großkopf
Hi Alex, After suffering from the last two mass closure / re-initialisations of status of a fair number of bugs I had spent time in opening, but for lack of a dedicated developer / interest in those particular areas of LO at the time (OSX bugs, Base bugs) they never got any attention, I for

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-06 Thread Dan Lewis
On 02/06/2013 09:50 AM, Robert Großkopf wrote: Hi Alex, After suffering from the last two mass closure / re-initialisations of status of a fair number of bugs I had spent time in opening, but for lack of a dedicated developer / interest in those particular areas of LO at the time (OSX bugs,

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-06 Thread Joel Madero
After suffering from the last two mass closure / re-initialisations of status of a fair number of bugs I had spent time in opening, but for lack of a dedicated developer / interest in those particular areas of LO at the time (OSX bugs, Base bugs) they never got any attention, I for

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-05 Thread Petr Mladek
Hi, I am going to vote on all open questions. It might speed up the voting process :-) Joel Madero píše v Po 04. 02. 2013 v 09:11 -0800: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: My understanding is that we want to proceed and close the bugs.

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-05 Thread Petr Mladek
Rainer Bielefeld píše v Po 04. 02. 2013 v 19:23 +0100: Hi all, I had the plan to write down some thoughts concerning your plans to do an other mass close, but I wasn't in the mood to do that. Due to my experience with bug wrangling in general and similar actions we did in LibO Bugzilla,

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-05 Thread Joel Madero
30 days should be enough. If nobody answered withing this time frame, there is only small chance that she would answer later without pinging. +1 None. IMHO, it is enough and it reduces the traffic. +1, I think the developers will appreciate this as well 30 days sounds fine here as well. +1

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-05 Thread Joel Madero
This is in response to Rainer's hesitation. I think there are three solid reasons why this should be done and how it would help, one is for QA side, one is for the project as a whole and one is for general accuracy of FDO: 1) For QA side, if we make this a standard policy then when we push

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-04 Thread Petr Mladek
Joel Madero píše v Po 04. 02. 2013 v 08:00 -0800: Do we have a consensus on this? I'd like to pitch our idea to ESC this week if possible. Don't want this to die and fade away into the abyss of thoughts that didn't pan out ;) To be honest, I am a bit confused by the different opinions. My

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-04 Thread Joel Madero
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Joel Madero píše v Po 04. 02. 2013 v 08:00 -0800: Do we have a consensus on this? I'd like to pitch our idea to ESC this week if possible. Don't want this to die and fade away into the abyss of thoughts that didn't pan out

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-04 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Hi all, I had the plan to write down some thoughts concerning your plans to do an other mass close, but I wasn't in the mood to do that. Due to my experience with bug wrangling in general and similar actions we did in LibO Bugzilla, for my personal work I only expect (smaller)

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-02-04 Thread Florian Reisinger
Hi, so I seem to state out my opinion first... Am 04.02.2013 um 18:11 schrieb Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Joel Madero píše v Po 04. 02. 2013 v 08:00 -0800: Do we have a consensus on this? I'd like to pitch our idea

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-29 Thread Petr Mladek
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 07:09 +0100, Florian Reisinger wrote: Am 28.01.2013 14:13, schrieb Petr Mladek: Strike 2 After 7 Days: Query for all Bugs for what mails have been sent in Strike 1: - Changed since mail (probably by reporter): QA will take care - NOT changed: Mass close via

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-29 Thread Petr Mladek
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 07:51 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Petr Mladek schrieb: IMHO, the most important is to give user chance to answer before the first warning (30 days or so). Hi Petr, I don't think so. My experience is that the reporter normally will answer within 3 days

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-29 Thread Pedro
://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Stagnant-NEEDINFO-bugs-tp4032113p4032870.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-29 Thread Petr Mladek
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 13:20 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Pedro schrieb: I think that is extremely rude. It reminds me of my Graduation diploma which was not ready for 3 years and then I received a postcard saying I had 10 days to pick it up... Hi, no, we will not leave open a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-29 Thread Petr Mladek
On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 13:43 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: I) Such an action should avoid collateral damages as effective as possible. A promising approach might be to find an effective query with good accuracy for hopeless Bug reports where we can expect that there will be no useful

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-28 Thread Petr Mladek
On Sat, 2013-01-26 at 15:06 -0800, Joel Madero wrote: On 01/26/2013 02:48 PM, Jack Leigh wrote: c) a reminder + automated closing of bug after some period of time +1 Something like automated closing after 3 months in NEEDINFO Response: From developer side, they'll see a MASSIVE influx of

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-28 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Petr Mladek schrieb: This will cause many mails only in the first round. It will be normal level of mails if we do this regularly. Hi, That's an illusion, total number of mails will always be the the same. Only the number of mails per cleanup will be smaller. BTW, I dislike the noise the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-28 Thread Petr Mladek
On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 10:05 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Petr Mladek schrieb: This will cause many mails only in the first round. It will be normal level of mails if we do this regularly. Hi, That's an illusion, total number of mails will always be the the same. Only the number of

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-28 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2013-01-28 08:13, Petr Mladek a écrit : On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 10:05 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Petr Mladek schrieb: This will cause many mails only in the first round. It will be normal level of mails if we do this regularly. Hi, That's an illusion, total number of mails will always

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-28 Thread Pedro
that someone from QA reviews it before the second message is sent? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Stagnant-NEEDINFO-bugs-tp4032113p4032601.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-27 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Joel, If you are asking our opinion on these ... Le 2013-01-26 17:22, Joel Madero a écrit : Hi All, During our last QA call we came up with a plan for NEEDINFO bugs that have been stagnant for 6+ months. I've decided to remove this from the minutes because there are some concerns about the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-26 Thread Jack Leigh
c) a reminder + automated closing of bug after some period of time +1 Something like automated closing after 3 months in NEEDINFO ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs

2013-01-26 Thread Joel Madero
On 01/26/2013 02:48 PM, Jack Leigh wrote: c) a reminder + automated closing of bug after some period of time +1 Something like automated closing after 3 months in NEEDINFO Response: From developer side, they'll see a MASSIVE influx of emails, pointed out by a core developer. This would need