Re: [License-discuss] Proposal: Apache Third Party License Policy

2015-05-27 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 27/05/2015 18:17, Lawrence Rosen wrote: > If we amended the proposal to leave out the GPL licenses, would that c alm your concerns? Right now, if I want to use a software package distributed by The Apache Software Foundation, I can safely assume ^

Re: [License-discuss] Disclosure of patents by Apache projects

2015-05-27 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/05/2015 21:54, Lawrence Rosen wrote: >At least in the open source community, let's please take advantage of this relief provided us by the CAFC in Seagate. Open source engineers should be free to read and write whatever they want about patents.

Re: [License-discuss] Proposal: Apache Third Party License Policy

2015-05-27 Thread Ben Tilly
You will never cover all legitimate fears that organizations might have for a variety of reasons that seem good to them. For example you'd think that the BSD license would be entirely unobjectionable. But Facebook released a lot of code under BSD with a patent license that many objected to. (The

Re: [License-discuss] Proposal: Apache Third Party License Policy

2015-05-27 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Nigel, your answer echoes many others: > If I have to start checking every Apache package for GPL code I'll have to > strongly recommend that we approach all Apache packages with caution. If we amended the proposal to leave out the GPL licenses, would that calm your concerns? I'd real

Re: [License-discuss] Proposal: Apache Third Party License Policy

2015-05-27 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
Thanks, without the context it was somewhat harder to follow on license-discuss. Consider this a vote in the negative as a non-member user of Apache software. If I have to start checking every Apache package for GPL code I'll have to strongly recommend that we approach all Apache packages with c

Re: [License-discuss] [CAVO] SF - LAFCO open source voting draft

2015-05-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On May 27, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Patrick Masson wrote: > > I would also add that OSI approval creates trust. I'd say more that trust. Let's be blunt: The legal issues related to using, consuming and/or leveraging open source are legend. Use of a non OSI-approved "open source" license is simply a

Re: [License-discuss] [CAVO] SF - LAFCO open source voting draft

2015-05-27 Thread Robin Miller
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Patrick Masson wrote: > I would also add that OSI approval creates trust. OSI approval assures > those who may not have the legal understanding or resources that the > software they are reviewing affords all of the opportunities of the OSD. > Listen! Listen! (H

Re: [License-discuss] [CAVO] SF - LAFCO open source voting draft

2015-05-27 Thread Patrick Masson
I would also add that OSI approval creates trust. OSI approval assures those who may not have the legal understanding or resources that the software they are reviewing affords all of the opportunities of the OSD. It is much easier for organizations to check if some software is "open source," guaran

Re: [License-discuss] [CAVO] SF - LAFCO open source voting draft

2015-05-27 Thread Allison Randal
On 05/26/2015 02:54 PM, Brian J. Fox wrote: > It *is* right, by the definition that we’re using for Open Source. It is very close to right. A license is open source if it complies with the Open Source Definition. A license might be open source, but not yet reviewed the by OSI. We use the set of li

Re: [License-discuss] Proposal: Apache Third Party License Policy

2015-05-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
(dropping members@) As Larry noted, the ASF board makes a distinction between what is legally possible, and what our policy is. The rationale behind that policy can easily be found. Larry's proposal would be a major policy change for the ASF and, we (the ASF) are confident, would cause major discu